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Hi
I have reached a point in my research and have been unable to progress. Hoping you might be able to assist please. The oldest document I have is the marriage certificate for John Beck and Eliza Henzell dated 25th August 1851 at the church of St Hilda in the Parish of St Hilda in Durham. Both of full age. John being a Miner. His father also John Beck a Gentleman. Place of Residence St Hilda. Eliza's place of Residence South Shields. Witnesses Mary Ann Stobbs and J Harrison.

The 1861 Census gives John Juniors birthplace as Newcastle. It is anything before the 1851 wedding that I am in need of if you can help please.

Thank you for looking :-)

How old was John in 1861?

OK.is this 1861?

It always helps if you give as much info as possible

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Keelmans Row, Cowpen, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

John Beck Head Married Male 38 1823 Coal miner Newcastle
Eliza Beck Wife Married Female 34 1827 - Shields, Durham, England
Margaret Beck Daughter - Female 7 1854 - Horton, Northumberland, England
John Beck Son - Male 5 1856 - Horton, Northumberland, England
William Beck Son - Male 1 1860 - Horton, Northumberland, England


Was the father 'deceased' when the marriage took place?

Age 38 in 1861

Yes it is the correct Census

It doesnt say deceased on the marriage certificate

From an Ancestry tree - transcript only
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Name John Beck
Gender Male
Christening Date 25 Apr 1824
Christening Place Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father John Beck
Mother Jane Beck

Not about John, but info re a brother -

Birth of a brother 1827 Newcastle - Jacob Wilson Beck
Married 1846 to Margaret ?
1851 - Newcastle
1861 onwards Liverpool/West Derby/Everton
Died q2 1886 Gtr Manchester (Bury RD as per freebmd)

Manchester Evening News - 20th April 1886 - Jacob Wilson Beck, aged 59, a Joiner. Suicide by Poisoning
residing in Holly Street, Bury. Out of work for 2 months and had been drinking. Returned yesterday from Liverpool apparently intoxicated, after seeing his son. Went into the back kitchen, took a quantity of Laudanum, told his wife what he'd done, went to bed, slept until 4 this morning and died at 8 o'clock

just spotted this???

John Bech

in the 1851 England Census

Name John Bech
Age 28
Estimated Birth Year abt 1823
Relation Head
Gender Male
Where born Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil parish Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish Holy Trinity
County/Island Durham
Country England
Registration District South Shields
Sub-registration district Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel 4m
Neighbors
Household schedule number 184
Piece 2399
Folio 651
Page number 49
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Bech 28 Head Coal Miner
Ann Gleghorn 74 Servant

Expanding on the baptism

First name(s) John
Country England
Last name Beck
Archive Durham University Library
Birth year -
Archive reference DDR/EA/PBT/2/188
Baptism year 1824
Document type Bishop's Transcripts
Baptism date 25 Apr 1824
Register type Baptisms, marriages & burials
Father's first name(s) John
Register year range 1823-1830
Father's occupation Ship Wrt
Page 211
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Record set Northumberland Baptisms
Residence Silver Street
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Newcastle upon Tyne, All Saints
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Denomination Anglican
Collections from England, Great Britain
County Northumberland

FMP transcriptions are a nightmare

Father is a Shipwright.......Abode: Silver Street

Looks very good thank you both :-D

If Jacob Wilson Beck is a brother, the mother must have died, and father re-married PDQ

First name(s) Jacob Wilson
Country England
Last name Beck
Father's first name(s) John
Sex Male
Father's last name Beck
Baptism year 1825
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth********************
Baptism date 03 Apr 1825**************************
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Residence Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Newcastle on Tyne
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Northumberland
Collections from England, Great Britain

The above re-married in 1857 at Walton on the Hill, Everton, Liverpool

Widower, occ; Joiner

Bride Margaret Bruce

Groom's father John Beck.........GROCER

Jacob's third marriage


Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
BECK Jacob Wilson Rochdale 8e 103
Holt Sarah Rochdale 8e 103

?
Northumberland Marriages (from FMP - transcript only)
Newcastle upon Tyne, St John, Northumberland, England

First name(s) John
Last name Beck
Sex Male
Birth year -
Marriage year 1824
Marriage date 22 May 1824
Place Newcastle upon Tyne, St John
Church St. John
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Talentyne
County Northumberland
Country England
Record type Parish Registers
Record set Northumberland Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Northumberland & Durham Family History Society
Transcriptions © Northumberland & Durham Family History Society

The original might mention if either were widowed.

Just whilst searching - you may have this

Eliza (Elizabeth)'s Father also a shipwright

Elizabeth Henzel in 1825
Durham Baptisms
South Shields, St Hilda, Durham, England

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Henzel
Birth year -
Baptism year 1825
Baptism date 11 Dec 1825
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's occupation Shipwright
Country England
Mother's first name(s) Dorothy
Residence So Shields
Place South Shields, St Hilda
Denomination Anglican
Archive Durham University Library
Archive reference DDR/EA/PBT/2/227
Document type Bishop's Transcripts
Register type Baptisms, marriages & burials
Register year range 1816-1825
Page 249
Record set Durham Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
County Durham

Thank you greyghost :-)

??? A possibility for Father John and second wife Elizabeth (if correct).

Older children possibly from a first marriage of Elizabeth

The original shows John to be of Independent Means (shown as Gentleman on John's 1852 marriage cert.)

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Leazes Terrace, St Andrew, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Beck Male 55 1786 -
Elizabeth Beck Female 50 1791 -
Sarah Beck Female 19 1822 -
Eliza Beck Female 17 1824 -
Alice Beck Female 15 1826 -
Charlotte Beck Female 13 1828 -
Joseph Glaholm Male 27 1814 Northumberland, England
Margaret Baptist Female 25 1816 Northumberland, England
Margaret Steel Female 20 1821 Northumberland, England


Joseph is a Joiner

Thank you again.
I have been trying to find a death for Jane on or around 1824. No luck as yet!

The information will be from Parish Registers if pre q3 1837 as formal death registration wasn't begun until then. These are not always complete, readable or online unfortunately. Burials seem to be the least available online.

It may be worth you contacting the relevant Records Office.

The 2 online trees have no information about John and Jane or an Elizabeth.

There is this death but it is in Sunderland. Not sure if it's the right one:-

First name(s) Jane
Description Holy Trinity
Last name Beck
Place Sunderland
Birth year 1779
County Durham
Age 45
Country England
Death year 1824
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Burial year 1824
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Burial date 17 May 1824
Subcategory Parish Burials
Denomination Anglican
Collections from Great Britain, England

Kath. x

The 1825 baptism for Elizabeth Henzel, posted at 14.29, can't be the right Elizabeth.

That child's father was Thomas, whereas John Beck's wife's father was William:

Eliza Henzett
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name Eliza Henzett
Gender Female
Marital Status Single
Marriage Date 25 Aug 1851
Marriage Place St. Hilda, South Shields, Durham, England
Father
William Henzett <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse
John Beck
FHL Film Number 1894151
Reference ID 337

Hello greyghost

The 1841 census that you posted at 14:42 22nd March shows John through to Charlotte as being born in Scotland, Ireland or Foreign Parts.
So presumably either this census or John Junior being born c. 1824 in Newcastle is incorrect.
I have appreciated yours and everyone's help.
Thanks again
Dave
:-)