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Good afternoon,

I think the heat is getting to me because I feel I am barking up the wrong tree. Either that, or I can't see the wood for the trees!

Henry Knowles b. 1889 son of Henry and Mary (nee Settle)
Married Elizabeth Kelly/Kellie in 1912 at Warrington.

Found him on the 1891 and 1901 census, but not 1911.

On the 1921 census, Elizabeth states that she is a widow. She died in 1972 and is buried with her daughter and son-in-law in Westhoughton cemetery.

I simply cannot find Henry's death.

Have I wandered off the right path?

Where am I going wrong? :-D

Help would be appreciated. Thank you. Cx

Where was Henry born?
When was the daughter born?
I assume you’ve checked CWGC?

Henry was born in Westleigh Nr. Wigan. His siblings were born in Aspull, Wigan.

His 3 children were all born in Wigan.

I did wonder whether he was killed in the War, but couldn't find him on CWGC. Also, he must have been around in late 1919/early 1920 as there was a son, Kenneth, born in 1921.



Cx

OK, managed to find 1921 - I think!……the daughter was born in 1919, but, it looks as though there was a further child in 1922………

Have I hit upon the right family?

OK…..Kenneth born 24 Dec 1921, so his father (whoever that was) must have been alive at the end of March 1921. Perhaps the parents parted and she decided he was ‘dead’ to her

Do you know Henry’s exact DoB?

???

Henry Knowles
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name Henry Knowles
Birth Date 11 Apr 1889 <<<<<<<
Baptism Date 5 Oct 1890
Parish Blackrod, Lancashire, England
Father Henry Knowles
Mother Mary Knowles
Register Type Parish Registers
Reference Number Pr 2967/1/9


1891 census says he was born in Leigh.
1901 says born in Aspull

Do you have Kenneth's birth cert?
Does it say that Henry was his father?

What was Henry’s occupation when he married?

Henry's dob 11.04.1889

Son born at the end of December 1921

No, I haven't seen the b/c so it maybe worth me downloading it?

Thank you.

Worldwide Army Census, 1911

6 results for H Knowles

No exact matches for 1889 YOB

Thank you for looking. Cx

I would have to order the m/c for Henry's occupation, as it is not on LOPC. Also, as I cannot find him on the 1911, I have no idea as to his occupation as yet. His father was a blacksmith.

Henry has evaporated!
Cx

Do you have the complete inscription from Mary's gravestone? It's not a great image on FindaGrave, but there appears to be several Henry's mentioned. Of interest is the bottom two which reference a Henry and an Elizabeth

https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2009/190/13048383_124725909922.jpg

I used some credits on Deceasedonline

Knowles, Elizabeth16 March 1949 Unrecorded
Knowles, Henry07 August 1940 Unrecorded
Settle, John Alan Knowles04 June 1921 Unrecorded
Knowles, Harry09 November 1907 Unrecorded
Knowles, Mary27 September 1896 Unrecorded


Deaths Jun 1921 (>99%)
Settle John A K 7 Wigan 8c 15

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
SETTLE John A K Lane Wigan 8c 36

Henry who died in 1940 was probably 84 years old

Harry, 1907, was 18
Elizabeth, 1949, was 69

Harry who died in 1907 seems very likely to be Henry 1899 , the subject of this thread.


KNOWLES, HARRY 18
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 9


Harry Knowles
in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Name Harry Knowles
Register Type Burial
Death Date abt 1907
Burial or Cremation Date 9 Nov 1907
Burial or Cremation Place Lancashire, England

Henry who married in 1912 was born 11 April 1889………..had he been born in 1899, he would have been 12/13 in 1912 .

KNOWLES, HENRY SETTLE
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 280
KNOWLES, LEONARD SETTLE
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 321
KNOWLES, ROBERT SETTLE
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 280

Name Henry Knowles
Birth Date 11 Apr 1889
Baptism Date 5 Oct 1890
Parish Blackrod, Lancashire, England
Father Henry Knowles
Mother Mary Knowles
Register Type Parish Registers
Reference Number Pr 2967/1/9

Henry snr re-married - a woman 23 years his junior

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Bailey Elizabeth Wigan 8c 198
Knowles Henry Wigan 8c 198

KNOWLES, MONA BAILEY
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 22

2 sons of the first marriage were with them in 1911

Name Albert Edward Knowles
Rank Pte
Birth Place Blackrod Lancashire
Death Date 7 Jul 1916
Death Place France and Flanders
Cause of Death Died of Wounds
Service Number S/12811
War WW1
Military Unit Gordon Highlanders, 8/10th Bn
Regiment The Gordon Highlanders

Back again. Thank you all for the information, and thank you for the credits ErikaH. That was very kind of you. Now I need to digest and sort. Cx