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Thanks very much Tracy - only just got back:))

He's some sort of Knitter. I think it says Frame Work knitter (...?) There's something in brackets I can't read.

Jools Sorry to be a pain but I have just had a look on 1901 for William aged 52 and can't find him. Does it say what he was doing for a living in 1901 please? Chrissie

I have to go now - hubby want's the modem. Thanks VERY much for all your help and interest. I shall look into it all. Will check back later, just in case any of you BRILLIANT people have any more inspirations:)) Chrissie

Jules. That's a great help thanks. Still not sure how to know if it's her, but it does look promising. Tracy LOL Chrissie

scary... Census Records matches for Donkey 31 total matches found in All Records > Census Records Results per page 10 20 50 Viewing 1-10 Title matches | info 1860 United States Federal Census 2 1870 United States Federal Census 8 1880 United States Federal Census 4 1900 United States Federal Census 4 1910 United States Federal Census 4 1920 United States Federal Census 2 1930 United States Federal Census 4 Kentucky 1910 Miracode Index 1 Ohio 1910 Census Miracode Index 1 Pennsylvania 1910 Miracode Index 1 It's a first name too lol

LDS 1881 only has 1 Martha spencer born nottinghamshire 1876-1880 William SPENCER Head M Male 31 Woodborough, Nottingham, England Stocking Framework Knitter Ruth SPENCER Wife M Female 29 Lambley, Nottingham, England Stocking Framework Knitter (H M) Joseph SPENCER Son Male 7 Woodborough, Nottingham, England Scholar Martha A. SPENCER Daur Female 11 m Lambley, Nottingham, England Source Information: Census Place Lambley, Nottingham, England Family History Library Film 1341796 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3337 / 48 Page Number 6 Same Family 1901 Ethel Spencer 10 Lambley, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Lambley Nottinghamshire Martha A Spencer 20 Lambley, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Lambley Nottinghamshire Ruth Spencer 49 Lambley, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Lambley Nottinghamshire William Spencer 52 Woodborough, Nottinghamshire, England Head Lambley Nottinghamshire William Spencer 19 Lambley, Nottinghamshire, England Son Lambley Nottinghamshire Joseph Upton 6 Heanor, Derbyshire, England Nephew Lambley Nottinghamshire Source information: RG13/3159 Registration district: Basford Sub-registration district: Arnold ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 14 Page: 19 Lambley is in Basford Reg Dist.

lol... I'll have a look for 'donkey' :) Aww... there wasn't one *sniff*

Thank you Jools :))

Bulwell was 7b Basford 1837-99, 7b Nottingham 1899 on

Tracy No, unfortunately they apparently used to call him Donkey Spencer because he carted things about (I don't know what,furniture possibly?). I understand that he had a VERY small business in Nottingham. Thanks for your interest. I have to keep answering the phone - hence the late reply:)) Chrissie

Do you know her fathers first name?

I'm trying to remember when Bulwell changed from Nottingham to Basford or visa versa. I can't seem to find the details that I have. I know that her father had a very small business in Nottingham though. So either could be right. Chrissie

WOW I had to go away for a few minutes (silly phone call). I am getting excited now. Really appreciating all your help and interest Chrissie

I think I found her... Marriages Jun 1895 Phillips John Nottingham 7b 585 Spencer Martha Annie Nottingham 7b 58[568] John Phillips 28 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Head Nottingham Nottinghamshire Martha Phillips 24 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Nottingham Nottinghamshire John W Phillips 1 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Son Nottingham Nottinghamshire Lily Phillips 4 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Nottingham Nottinghamshire Just looking for a Smith/Phillips marriage.... (bear with me, there are a lot of Smiths lol) Bummer - no match there either :(

Tracy I found that problem too. It doesn't make any sense, Chrissie

The only Martha Spencer I found was married, and the only Smiths I found weren't with Harry/Harold/Henry in 1901.

Thanks very much Tracy and Jools and Sheila. She wasn't married before as her Fathers name was Spencer. The birth certificate I have for her 2nd child is born in Bulwell Nottingham and the few family memories that I can get all remember Bulwell as the family home. With the names being so common I don't know where they are in 1901 (married or not). The marriage certificate seems to be my only hope but I'm beginning to think that they didn't marry. I wonder why? Thank you very much for looking. Much appreciated. Chrissie

Perhaps they didn't marry?? Are they missing on 1901?? Does place of birth for 1904 child give any clues??

I searched 1893 - 1910 for you, and couldn't find a Smith - Spencer marriage. I checked Harry and Henry. Is it possible that she married before Harry? Or not in Notts?