Genealogy Chat

Hi Mike,

Thank you for this, it was me you did the look up for where Alice belonged, now, C&P from your post,

I See that the Adam born 1772 Son of Adam & Mary Robinson
Goes on to marry an Elizabeth.
Died in Lowesby cum Cold Newton.

Yes he married Elizabeth Phips 4 Dec 1796, i had no idea when he died , i do now though, but there is an Elizabeth on the 1841 census with son James and family in Melton Mowbray aged 70, which i hope you don`t mind, makes me query that burial you found for her, i have found a death for a Elizabeth Underwood in 4Q 1843 In Melton Mowbray, but as you know there were no ages on the deaths back then, so i could be wrong.

As far as i know Adam and Elizabeth Underwood nee Phips had 3 children James b.1796 (my ancestor), William b.1799 and Joseph b. 1801 so i`m not sure about the Adam buried in 1833 age 19, seems a big gap between Joseph and Adam, unless there are more children i don`t know about, not impossible though.

Thank you for all your help

Sylvia

Hi Mike,
Please can you advise me as to how I find marriage records for a William Kemp b. 1787 Leicester & Charlotte Gilbert b.1794 ? Leicester. I understand that they married on the 25th Oct 1812 at St. Mary de Castro church Leicester but I do not have a source for this to confirm it. If I can find the record, it might give me a lead on their parentage but I am unable to find birth or death records for either of them.
Any help/advice would be really appreciated.
Thank you
Heather

Greeting’s & Welcome…….. Heather.

I can confirm the Marriage :~
William Kemp. Charlotte. Gilbert.
25th. October. 1812.
St: Mary de Castro Parish Church. Leicester.
By Banns.

Now……Unfortunately it’s not until after September 1837.
Do we get the Father’s Names & Occupations stated on the Marriage Register..

But I can look at the Registers on your behalf this week at the Records Office & report back with the hope one of the Witnesses was either Surnames. Names.
.

In the meantime :~
Here are Early Kemp Marriages. …. Within the Borough of Leicester.

Edmund Kemp 24 Feb 1754 Ann Measures Leic. All Saints Banns.
Thomas Kemp 8 Oct 1761 Eleanor Simpson Leic, St. Martins Licence.

Gilbert Marriages. Around Charlette's birth year.:~

Charles Gilbert 16 Nov 1789 Catherine Thornton L Mt. B
Henry Gilbert 3 Nov 1792 Elizabeth Ashby L My. B
Richard Gilbert 10 Oct 1784 Millecent Bull L A. L
Samuel Gilbert 8 Apr 1792 Ann Vestey L Mg. B
Samuel Gilbert 13 Mar 1794 Hannah Birstall L My. B
Thomas Gilbert 4 Nov 1792 Elizabeth Orton L Mg. B
Timothy Gilbert 1 Nov 1790 Elizabeth Sanderson L A. B
Timothy Gilbert 22 Jul 1793 Mary Phillips L A. B

Abv.:~

LMt….Leicester. St: Martin’s Parish Church.
LMy. Leicester. St: Mary’s. Known latter as St: Mary de Castro.
LMg. Leicester. St Margaret’s Parish Church.
L A. Leicester. All Saints Parish Church.

B….Banns.
L. ..Licence.

MIKE.

Thank you so much Mike for the info & the offer of looking at the records for me as they might throw up a bit more info.
I don't know if I can tie up any of the other marriages to the family tree but of course any of them are possible. The Christian names for most of the Kemp males in my tree seem to be John or William so I was hoping that perhaps William was named after his father.
I look forward to hearing from you again.
Once again, many thanks
Heather

Hi again Mike,
I should have told you that I have info on the Gilbert family going back to the 1560's. It's the Kemp family that I have come to a standstill with. Sorry if I have caused any confusion.
Heather

Greeting’s Again ….Heather.

Marriage details 1812.

St: Mary de Castro Parish Church. Leicester.

William Kemp. ~ Charlotte Gilbert.
Both of this Parish.

Were married in this Church. By Banns.

This Twenty five day of October.
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twelve.
By me :~ Charles Wetherill. Curate.

Both signed the register thus :~
William own signature
Charlotte by her Mark. …./

In the Presence of :~
John Gee….by his Mark ….X
Wm. Christian. Parish Clark.

Burial Found 1828. :~
St: Mary’s de Castro.
Register No’. 206.

William Kemp
Abode. ….Leicester.
9th. March.
Aged. 40..

So….Did Charlotte go on to remarry ?


1829.
Page. No’. 77.
Entry No’. 230.

William Harris. Of this Parish. Bachelor.
Charlotte Kemp. WIDOW. Of this Parish.

Were married in this Church by Banns.

This Twenty Third Day of November.
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty nine
By Me :~ John Foster. Curate.

In the Presence of :~

Thomas Pratts…..By his Mark. ….X
Tho’s Coats…Parish Clark.

MIKE.

Hi again Mike,

I have now found the other children for Adam and Elizabeth Underwood nee Phips, unfortunatly the baptisms on IGI are all submitted, could you please tell me if these are correct.

Lowesby and Cold Newton Leicestershire

Frances ..24 July 1803
Mary..7 July 1805
George..2 Oct 1808
John..9 June 1811

and at Lowesby
Adam ..13 Feb 1814

Adam would be the one you found the burial of in 1833, aged 19.

Thank you

Sylvia

Morning Mike,
Thank you for the info on the Kemp family which I will add to my tree.
I have had a look at the previous info which you gave me on the early Kemp marriages & I feel that there must be a connection although I think they may be a bit too early to connect them to William. Perhaps there is a generation missing but I do know that William was born on the 13 June 1787 in Leicester.
I am grateful for your help.
Thank you so much
Heather

Somewhere else you can post Leicestershire queries:

http://www.leicestershirevillages.com/history-forum.html

Hi Mike

I wonder if you could find the birth details for Mary Ann Allen b 2nd qtr. 1844 in Leicester. I have one who was born in July 1844 daughter of Thomas and Mary Grogan, need to know I have the right one.

Many thanks
regards
Kathleen

hi mike
plz can you find for me

william plant birth he married a ann orton in 1807 appleby magna leicester

many thanks

Hi Mike,

I know you had other things on your mind in September, could you please take a look at my post on page 12 dated 12th Sept, and when you get chance can you see what you can find out for me.

Thanking you in advance

Chris

Seasonal Greeting’s …Katherine.

Is this Mary’s Parents Marriage ?

St: Margaret’s Parish Church. Leicester.

Entry No.239, Sep 25,th. 1843, After Banns
Thomas Allen, Full Age, Widower. Labourer, Of Upper Charles St,
Son. Of John Allen. ……., Labourer.

Mary Grogan, Full Age, Widow. Of Humberstone Gate,
Daughter . Of John Smith. ……. A, White Smith
Wits: Michael Mcgurk?, ??? Smith.

White Smith :~ Tin Smith. ….. repairs ..Pots & Pans

I could not see a burial for the name of Grogan
Within both City & County of Leicestershire
In order to find out who Mary Ann was married to

But with a surname like that I think we could be looking at Irish records
To find out that. ……

I see for the Birth index there is a Mary Ann Allen
Born April May June 1844.Qrt.
Leicester
Cert No’. XV 105.

1851 Census returns for HO 107 / 2088 / 569. / Page 11.
St: Margaret’s & Bishop’s fees

No 7. Eaton Street.

Henry Allen. 39. Frame Work Knitter b Thurmaston.
Susan Wife. 33. b St: Margaret’s Leicester.
Eliza. Dau.. 10. b Ditto.
Elizabeth. Dau. 9. b Ditto.
MARY ANN Dau. 6. b Ditto.
Louisa. Dau. 4. b Ditto.
Emma. Dau. 1 b Ditto.

So the above Mary Ann could well be the Mary Ann born 1844..
As the Census night for 1851 was Sunday 8th. April
Therefore Mary Ann would not have reached her 7th birthday date


MIKE.

Hi Mike,
Thank you very much for the info, you've confirmed that I have got the right birth cert for Mary Allen as there are only two recorded in 1844 and her father was definately Thomas Allen, it's just that she was known on later certs as Mary Ann so I just wanted to make sure. The marriage you found is the one I think as being correct but like you I've not been able to find a Grogan death that would fit with being Mary's first husband. Could you have a look for her birth, I know Mary Smith must be the most common name in Britain but according to her death cert in July 1884 she was aged 71 making her born about 1813 and on the 1851 census it says she was born in Shelton, Leics. Father's name John.
This is probably a tall order.

All the best to you and thanks again

Kathleen

Hello Mike
Seasons Greetings
Its me again with my Sikes/Sykes family

Is there any marriage records for Nicolas Sykes & Ann theis son Benjamine was born abt 1783 Loughborough sorry no more info
Also a baptism for a Jane Platts or Platt abt 1795 Coleorton info from census so date & place could be suspect. One more a baptism for Fredrick Platts abt 1829 Coleorton.

Many Thanks
Jean

nudge

Hello Beverly,
I am researching the Stretton Name too. My Stretton branch came from Staffs and Derbyshire.Some were involved in the brewery industry and others farmed. If you think there may be a link I can let you have the results of my research.

Who are we looking for in Leicester

Is this thread no longer available?

Kathleen

Greeting’s Again…………..Kathleen.

I keep popping in to check it out …..

But no one is asking any questions of late…….

MIKE. …..

Hi Mike

Glad you're back and okay

Can you look for the following burials for me and tell me who is buried with these people, all for Leicester, hope you don't mind the list.

Thomas Hulatt/Hulett died April 1915 and Sarah Hulatt/Hulett died March 1921

Sarah Ann Hose died June 1886

Ernest Gibson died O/N/d 1911

Have you got the records for Mk.Bosworth if so can you look for Elizabeth Hilton died 1932 aged abt 76 and her husband Thomas died 1945 aged abt 87

Many thanks
Kathleen