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This is the baptism of the above William

Ancestry
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William Buck
Name: William Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 Dec 1818
Father's Name: Thomas Buck - a chairmaker
Mother's Name: Charlotte Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Botolph without Bishopsgate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Oh dear they have William married to 2 women at the same time and having children with both women at the same time.

This is one of the witnesses on william Clifton Bucks marriage to Charlotte.
They lived on the same Street.

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1841 Address: St Peter Street, St Peter, Canterbury
HALSEY, Richard M 39 1802 Kent
HALSEY, Charlotte F 39 1802 Kent
HALSEY, Thos M 64 1777 Kent
HALSEY, Charlotte F 8 1833 Kent
HALSEY, Ellen F 4 1837 Kent
BAILEY, Sarah F 65 1776 Kent
BAILEY, Harriet F 30 1811 Kent

Surprisingly he is an engineer. Just wonder if that is an unlikely friendship for a Romany traveller at the time. He might be a commercial traveller.

Charlotte's father or grandfather?

1841 Address: St Peter Street Grove's Lane, St Peter, Canterbury
PERKINS, John M 78 1763 Kent
PERKINS, Judith F 60 1781 Kent
ORCHARD, Emily F 9 1832 Kent
BLOGG, Charles F 4 1837 Kent

I wonder if this is the other witness?

Deaths Dec 1873
HERITAGE Peter Vanheer 76 Thanet 2a 460

No clues there.

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Deaths Mar 1846
BUCK Edward Clifton Canterbury 5 45

To match with

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William Clifton Buck
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Charlotte Buck
child: Edward Clifton Buck
name: Edward Clifton Buck
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 20 Jul 1845
baptism/christening place: Canterbury, Kent, England
father's name: William Clifton Buck
mother's name: Charlotte Buck
indexing project (batch) number: I00752-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1786210

Ok I think we have something here.
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1851 Address: 3, St Peters Place, Holy Cross Westgate Within, Canterbury
BUCK, Mary Wife Married F 61 1790 Hawker's Wife
Witerby, Leicestershire
BUCK, Daniel Son Married M 36 1815 Licensed Hawker
London, Middlesex
BUCK, Mary Ann Daughter Married F 28 1823 Licensed Hawker
Canterbury, Kent
BUCK, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 22 1829 At Home
Hoxton, Middlesex

check the address and places of birth and they are hawkers.

That last one is interesting as there links to Hoxton and Canterbury, which tie in with William Buck. I wonder if this could be William's mother and siblings? I am going to try and find an old map of Canterbury to see if St Peters Place and St Peters Street are close to each other. Logic tells me they probably are.
This is all very exciting! I can't thank you enough for your help.

I know what you mean about the marriage witness being an engineer and therefore an unlikely friend to a Romany. But elsewhere William is referred to as hawker which I know was a common occupation for Romanies. Still, we are definitely getting somewhere.

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1841 Address: Cross Street, St Dunstan
BUCK, James M 45 1796
BUCK, Mary F 50 1791
BUCK, Daniel M 25 1816
BUCK, Mary F 20 1821
BUCK, Mary F 15 1826 Kent
BUCK, Hannah F 12 1829

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1861 Address: 14, Best Lane, All Saints, Canterbury
BUCK, James Head Married M 72 1789 Hawker Of...Canterbury
Melbourne, Derbyshire
BUCK, Mary Wife Married F 74 1787 Willesley, Leicestershire

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1871 Address: Salisbury Crescent, St Mary Newington
YEATS, Mary A Head F 50 1821 Middlesex
YEATS, George Son M 15 1856 Kent
YEATS, Caroline Daughter F 13 1858 Kent
YEATS, James Son M 9 1862 Surrey
YEATS, Chas Son M 5 1866 Surrey
BUCK, James Boarder M 82 1789 Derbyshire
WEST, W Boarder M 45 1826 Surrey
DUMBLE, Willm Boarder M 31 1840 Surrey
NASH, Thos Boarder M 20 1851 Middlesex

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1871 Address: Colmore Street, Great Back House, Birmingham
BUCK, Daniel Head M 56 1815 Middlesex
BUCK, Mary A Wife F 48 1823 Kent
MAYNER, Daniel Nephew M 4 1867 Warwickshire

ancestry
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Hannah Buck
Name: Hannah Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Oct 1828
Father's Name: James Buck -a hawker
Mother's Name: Mary Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: City of London Lying-In Hospital, City Road, Finsbury
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Wallbrook place
Hoxton newtown

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about James Buck
Name: James Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Nov 1816
Father's Name: James Buck -an ostler
Mother's Name: Mary Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: City of London Lying-In Hospital, City Road, Finsbury
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
lambs buildings Bunhill row

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about John Buck
Name: John Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Jan 1819
Father's Name: James Buck
Mother's Name: Mary Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: City of London Lying-In Hospital, City Road, Finsbury
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
York Row Hoxton

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Mary Ann Buck
Name: Mary Ann Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Apr 1821
Father's Name: James Buck -a hawker
Mother's Name: Mary Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: City of London Lying-In Hospital, City Road, Finsbury
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
York Row Hoxton

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Edward Buck
Name: Edward Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Nov 1823
Father's Name: James Buck - a hawker of earthenware
Mother's Name: Mary Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: City of London Lying-In Hospital, City Road, Finsbury
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
York Row Hoxton

This is James birth on family search.
see place of birth. Loads from there . Just need to establish the connectionto William.

ames Buck
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 23 Oct 1791 PENN LANE-?INDEPENDENT,?MELBOURNE,?DERBY,?ENGLAND
parents: John Buck,? Patience
name: James Buck
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 23 Oct 1791
baptism/christening place: PENN LANE-INDEPENDENT,MELBOURNE,DERBY,ENGLAND
father's name: John Buck
mother's name: Patience
indexing project (batch) number: C06686-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0590684 (RG4 1083)

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1851Address: 17, "deal Castle Inn", Prospect Place, Deal
WATTS, Elizabeth Head Widow F 13 1838 Licensed Victualler
Deal, Kent
PARKER, Mary E Daughter Widow F 34 1817
Deal, Kent
PAUL, Susannah Daughter Married F 36 1815
Deal, Kent
PAUL, Caroline A Grand Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar
Deal, Kent
PAUL, Elizabeth A Grand Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar
Bridge, Kent VIEW
PAUL, Eliza J Grand Daughter F 5 1846 At Home
Deal, Kent VIEW
PAUL, Susannah Grand Daughter F 4 1847 Scholar
Deal, Kent
PAUL, William H Grand Son M 2 1849 At Home
Deal, Kent
BUCK, James Lodger Married M 62 1789 Licensed Hawker
Malbourn, Derbyshire
PARROTT, Mary A Lodger Widow F 40 1811 Licensed Hawker
Ospringe, Kent
READ, Henry Lodger Married M 48 1803 Licensed Hawker
London, Middlesex
READ, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 47 1804 Licensed Hawker
London, Middlesex
VELSEY, John A Lodger Unmarried M 21 1830 Licensed Hawker
St Alphage Canterbury, Kent

James away from home 1851