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My Great Grandfather Allan Segers was born in Colchester in 1867 and he married my Great Grandmother Minnie Stokes born in Manchester 1870. They moved around quite a bit. I know my G Grandfather died and my G Grandmother remarried. G Grandfather was a shipping agent and the only death I can find is in London in 1901 although in the 1901 census they were living in Leamington. I have found two records of marriages for a Minnie Segers - one in June 1904 Southwark and another June 1905 in Lambeth. My grandfather spent a lot of time in a sanatorium as a child as he had TB but he met and married my grandmother in London so that would seem to the family base eventually.

Can anyone help with this please.

Thank you

Christine

Let's start with one firm fact.............

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
SEGERS Allan Colchester 4a 817 Scan available - click to view
STOKES Minnie Colchester 4a 817 Scan available - click to view

First name(s) ALLAN
Last name SEGERS
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1867
Age 34
Death quarter 4
Death year 1901
District Wandsworth
County London
Volume 1D
Page 435

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Wise Terrace, Leamington, Leamington Priors, Warwick, Warwickshire, England

Allan Segars Head Married Male 33 1868 Colchester, Essex, England Agent For British Supply Assn Transcription
Minnie Segars Wife Married Female 31 1870 Manchester, Lancashire, England - Transcription
Allan Segars Son Single Male 6 1895 Kennington, Surrey, England - Transcription
Harold Segars Son Single Male 4 1897 Kennington, Surrey, England - Transcription
Albert Segars Son Single Male 0 1901 Leamington, Warwickshire, England - Transcription
Annie Segars Brother's Wife Married Female 28 1873 Manchester, Lancashire, England - Transcription
Constance Segars Niece Single Female 3 1898 Pembroke Dock, Pembrokeshire, Wales - Transcription
Minnie Segars Niece Single Female 0 1901 Leamington, Warwickshire, England

Segers Albert Edward Baden — — 1900 Warwickshire Baptisms Leamington Spa, All Saints, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Albert Edward
Last name Segers
Relationship Patient
Sex Male
Age 10
Birth year 1901
Birth place Unknown
Occupation -
House name -
House number -
Street Rustington Worthing
Address Rustington Worthing
Parish East Preston
County Sussex
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district East Preston
Registration district number 84

Segers Harold W 1897 1905 1905 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Southwark, London, England
Segers Harold William 1897 — 1897 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 St. Saviour Southwark, London, England

First name(s) Allan
Last name Segers
Title MR
Gender Male
Age 18
Birth year 1895
Occupation PRINTER
Departure year 1913
Departure day 7
Departure month 1
Departure port London
Destination port Melbourne
Destination MELBOURNE
State Victoria
Country Australia
Destination country Australia
Ship name Moravian
Ship official number 108662
Ship master's first name W J
Ship master's last name BURGE
Shipping line ABERDEEN
City LONDON
Ship destination port BRISBANE
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA

Name: Minnie Segers
[Minnie Stokes]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 32
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1873
Marriage Date: 23 Apr 1905
Marriage Place: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth, Lambeth, England
Father: Edward Stokes
Spouse: William Wright

Ancestry

Name: Minnie Weight
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Manchester, Chester, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 16 S Block, Peabody Buildings, Duke Street, Lambeth S E
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: DRESS MAKER
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 1944
Household Members:
Name Age
Minnie Weight 39
Allan Segers 16


FMP
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16 S Block Peabody Buildings Duke Street S E, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

Minnie Wright Head Widower Male 39 1872 Machester Dressmaker Transcription
Allan Segus Son - Male 16 1895 London Walwth Porter Printing


One has to wonder how they can make such different mistakes when transcribing the same record

Hi Erika

Well once again thank you so much and I am amazed at how quickly you found this information. Really appreciated

Kind Regards

Christine

An absolute pleasure

I'm stuck indoors with the 'lurgy' on this glorious day, so I needed something to cheer me up!

Well I hope you feel better soon.

As an aside I was told that my Grandfather Albert Segers had a half sister called Minnie. I don't suppose you can find a Minnie Wright?

Regards

Christine

Thank you, Christine

In 1911, Minnie says she has had three children, of whom one has died.

Those would be the Segers.

So the next step is to see if she married again - although she'd be getting a bit old for childbearing

There a cousin Minnie Segers on 1901 census - perhaps that's who he knew?

No, it wasn't her

Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
Segers Minnie Lilian M Warwick 6d 665

Name: Minnie Lilian M Segers
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 4

Possible birth? Don't see her in 1911

WRIGHT, MINNIE LILIAN (mother's maiden name: STOKES)
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 274
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Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Name: Minnie L Wright
Admission Age: 13
Record Type: Admission
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1905
Admission Date: 28 Nov 1918
Admission Place: Lambeth, Lambeth, London, England
--------------------------------

1939:
Wright Household (1 Person) 1 Follet House , Chelsea, London, England
Minnie L Wright 23 Sep 1905 Female Daily Domestic Work Single
-----------------------------------

death:
Name: Minnie Lilian Wright
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1905
Registration Date: Dec 1978
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 11 Page: 1719

That is definitely her - how sad.She never married and devoted her life to the Salvation Army. There is a photograph of her at my parents wedding. When she died my sister was very ill so my mother did not go to the funeral and my grandfather was in ill health so I went to represent the family. As I was quite young I did not really take all the details in although I remember how kind all of the Salvation Army people were. My grandfather made a donation to the Salvation Army.Thank you for finding her at least she can be remembered now.

Kind Regards

Christine

Deaths Sep 1912 (>99%)
Wright Minnie 41 Wandsworth 1d 579

Her parents, using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1849
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
STOKES Edward SMITH Mary A Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/73/417

1851
Registration Number: HO107 Piece: 2231
Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birthplace Relation Residence View Image
Edward Stohes Mary abt 1829 location relation city, Lancashire
Mary Stohes Edward abt 1832 location relation city, Lancashire
Louisa Stohes Edward,Mary abt 1851 location relation city, Lancashire
[Stokes is a user submitted alternative surname]

Using http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
Reference: HO 107/2231
Description:
Registration District: 473. MANCHESTER (Street Indexed) Partly decayed.
Registration Sub-District: 6 Newton.
Parish: Manchester (part).
Hamlet: Bradford. Divided between HO 107/2155, 2218-2232 and 2234-2235;
Hamlet: Newton with Culcheth and Kirkmanshulme. Divided between HO 107/2155, 2218-2232 and 2234-2235;
Hamlet: Beswick. Divided between HO 107/2155, 2218-2232 and 2234-2235.

[As they're on one of the water-damaged pieces, they're not available on FS, nor do they get the usual folio/page identifier]

1861 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7FC-44S
[Ancestry has Stokes as surname]

1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBN8-55Z

Minnie's siblings
STOKES, LOUISA SMITH Order
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 20 Page 865
STOKES, LOUISA 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 20 Page 689

STOKES, WILLIAM EDWARD SMITH Order
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 48
STOKES, WILLIAM EDWARD 2 Order
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 39

STOKES, ANN SMITH Order
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 30
STOKES, ANN 2 Order
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 190

STOKES, ELIZA SMITH Order
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 217

STOKES, MARY ANN SMITH Order
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 62

STOKES, JOSEPH SMITH Order
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 72
STOKES, JOSEPH 1 Order
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 49

STOKES, WILLIAM SMITH Order
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in BARTON-UPON-IRWELL Volume 08C Page 508

STOKES, MINNIE SMITH Order
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in BARTON-UPON-IRWELL Volume 08C Page 529


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
1850 STOKES Louisa Salford Greengate Salford GRE/39/93
1852 STOKES William Edward Salford Greengate Salford GRE/44/99
1855 STOKES Ann Salford Greengate Salford GRE/54/65
1857 STOKES Eliza SMITH Market Street Archives+, Manchester Central Library MST/39/13
1860 STOKES Mary Ann Salford Greengate Salford GRE/69/80
1865 STOKES Joseph Salford Greengate Salford GRE/85/42
1867 STOKES William Barton on Irwell Salford BAR/26/56
1869 STOKES Minnie Barton on Irwell Salford BAR/29/42

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
STOKES Ann 2 Market Street Archives+, Manchester Central Library MST/59/453
[No deaths are yet transcribed for Salford RD]

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=wright&yearOfDeath=1979&page=26#calendar

Probate record is 1979

Minnie Lilian Wright of St Cuthberts, 33 Ross Road, Thornton Heath, Surrey died 22 October 1978. Administration with will London 17 January 1979

Dear All

Thank you very much for all your help it is really appreciated.

Kind regards

Christine

RE Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Smith Mary Ann Manchester 20 555
Stokes Edward Manchester 20 555

Searching at https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2967 shows the marr was 19/11/1849.
His dad was William Stokes, and her dad was Joseph Smith

You'll have to look at Ancestry's (original) image to see their occup and witness names.

Sorry, but I don't have a sub.