Genealogy Chat

It was fun!

l will update my tree and this could never had happened without all input from you Virginia

That's the info we gave you - glad you've taken it on board, and hope you will update your tree accordingly

Once again thank you for information on Alfred L Harding l have Ethel Porter born 1890 N Witchford Cambs Married Frederick Harding 1908 in Witchford Cambs they both died in 1915 in Lambeth Thanking you for all help Virginia

Probate for William Harlow:

Harlow William of Myston Rosemary-Lane Chatteris Cambridgeshire died 15th January 1957 Probate 14th March to Annie Ethel Bishop and Elsie Mary Haylett married women and Alfred Louis Harding agricultural mechanic Effects:____

Porbate for Flora Harlow:

Harlow Flora of Myston 13 Rosemary-Lane Chatteris Cambridgeshire widow died 11th Sept 1963 at the County Hospital Doddington Cambridgeshire Probate Peterborough 30th October to Annie Ethel Bishop Elsie Mary Haylett married women and Alfred Lewis Harding mechanic Effects:____

Marriage for Elsie Mary Harlow:

Marriages Jun 1926
Harlow Elsie M Haylett N.Witchford 3b 1359
Haylett Harold Harlow N.Witchford 3b 1359

two children born to this couple 1926 and 1930 (won't post details in case they are still living)

If you have a subscription to ancestry it might be worth trying to contact the owners of the trees I posted above to see if they have any information that they can share with you. If you don't have a subscription it might be worth asking at your local library as some libraries provide free access to ancestry. (assuming that you are in the UK.)

Census info posted earlier shows that the Harlows were Alfred's aunt & uncle.

Possibly Florence was Frederick's sister.

Marriage:Marriages Sep 1902

Harding Florrie N. Witchford 3b 1179
Harlow William N. Witchford 3b 1179

Births for children:

HARLOW, ANNIE ETHEL MMN HARDING
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 505 Order

HARLOW, ELSIE MARY MMN HARDING
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 478


1911 census:

Name: Florrie Harlow
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Chatteris, Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
County: Cambridgeshire
Parish: Chatteris
Sub-District: Chatteris
Sub-District Number: 1
District Number: 185
Enumeration District: 1
Registration District: North Witchford
Gender: Female
Age: 28
Marital Status: MARRIED
Marital Status: MARRIED
Number in Family: 4
Birth Year (Estimated): 1883
Birthplace: Warboys Parish, Huntingdonshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Schedule Type: 89
Page Number: 1
Registration Number: RG14
Piece/Folio: 183
Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/09247/0183/2
Household

Head: William Harlow Male 30Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Wife: Florrie Harlow Female 28 Warboys Parish, Huntingdonshire
Annie Ethel Harlow Daughter F 8 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Elsie Mary Harlow Daughter F 4 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire





1891 census (Florrie recorded as Flora born Flora (see birth reg below))

Name: Lewis Harding
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1862
Spouse: Eliza Ann Harding
Child: William Harding
Flora Harding
George Harding
Arthur Lewis Harding
Birth Place: Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Doddington
Residence Place: Doddington, Doddington, Cambridgeshire, England
Sub registration district: Chatteris
ED, Institution or Vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1300
Folio: 154
Household Members:
Name Age
Lewis Harding 29
Eliza Ann Harding 30
William Harding 10
Flora Harding 8<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
George Harding 9
Arthur Lewis Harding 5
John Roweth 22



Birth reg for Florence

HARDING, FLORA MMN RICHARDS
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in SAINT IVES Volume 03B Page 263

Name: Flora Harlow
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 12 Sep 1882
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
Occupation: Agricultural Work
Schedule Number: 104
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: TCAE
Registration district: March March
Inferred Spouse: William Harlow
Household Members:
Name
William Harlow
Flora Harlow

Bishop Household (3 People)
5 Bridge Street , Chatteris U.D., Cambridgeshire, England


Annie E Bishop 16 Jan 1903 Female Agricultural Worker Heavy Worker Married 82 2
Henry E Bishop 10 Aug 1902 Male Agricultural Labourer Heavy Worker Married 82 1
1 closed record

HARLOW, ANNIE ETHEL HARDING
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 505


Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Harding Florrie N. Witchford 3b 1179
Harlow William N. Witchford 3b 1179

1911

Guendolene Cottages High Street Chatteris Cambridgeshire, Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England

William Harlow Head Married Male 30 1881 Farm Labourer Chatteris Cambridgeshire
Florrie Harlow Wife Married Female 28 1883 - Warboys Parish Huntingdonshire
Annie Ethel Harlow Daughter - Female 8 1903 Scholar Chatteris Cambridgeshire
Elsie Mary Harlow Daughter - Female 4 1907 Scholar Chatteris Cambridgeshire

The causes of their deaths will be on the certs

Thank you for information on Ethel and Frederick Harding Alfred Louis Harding lived with a William and Florence Harlow they had 2 children Annie Ethel Harlow born 1903 and Elsie May 1907 l do believe they lived in Chatteris Cambs Alfred always called her his Mother .Thanking you PS l do wonder why they both died so young Thanking you Virginia

William and Mabel have no connection whatsoever to Alfred Louis

Virginia, have you actually seen the birth certificate for Alfred Louis Harding (AKA Frederick Louis Harding) confirming that his parents are William P and Mabel B ) or have you just found this marriage in 1916:

Marriages Sep 1916
Harding William P Porter Paddington 1a 61
Porter Mabel B Harding Paddington 1a 61

and assumed that this was Alfred's parents marrying 2 years after his birth?

If this is the case it looks like you have picked up the wrong parents for him.

There are these two trees on ancestry and both have Alfred Louis Harding with parents Frederick and Ethel Harding (nee Porter) as his parents.

Harding Family Tree
Public Member Tree
1 attached record, 1 source Alfred Louis Harding
Birth: dd mm 1914 - London, England
Death: date - city, Cambs (Cambridgeshire)
Spouse: name Irene Plumb
F: Frederick Harding

M: Ethel Porter

Plumb Family Tree
Public Member Tree
2 attached records, 3 sources Alfred Louis Harding
Birth: dd mm 1914 - London, England
Death: date - city, Cambs (Cambridgeshire)
Spouse: name Irene Plumb
F: Frederick Harding

M: Ethel Porter

If you look at the info provided you will see that Frederick and Ethel both came from the reg district of North Witchford Cambridge and that Ethel was living in Chatteris in 1901. Alfred Louis Harding married Irene Plumb in 1938 and in 1939 was living with Irene in Chatteris. You say that Alfred (AKA Frederick) was given to some relation in Chatteris when he was 2 years old and that some people say that his parents died. Ethel and Frederick both died in 1915 in Lambeth. Alfred was born in Lambeth in 1914. This information fits with Ethel and Frederick being the parents of Alfred Louis Harding..

Thank you all for input to William Percy Harding and Mabel B Porter l did have their names correct but wrong date of Births. l am now trying to digest all the information given once again Thank you Virginia

Possible children of Annie and George:

CHAPMAN, LYDIA LONG
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 634

Death:
CHAPMAN, LYDIA aged 0
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 378



CHAPMAN, HARRY LONG
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 613 Order


Possible 1891 census for Harry:


William Long
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name William Long
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Cambridgeshire
Parish March
Ecclesiastical Parish ST JOHN
Registration District North Witchford
Residence Note West End
Gender Male
Age 51
Marital Status Married
Occupation Agricultural Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1840
Birthplace Cambridgeshire, England
Page Number 7
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 1301/ 96
Household

William Long Head M 51 Cambridgeshire, England
Betsy Long Wife F 51 Cambridgeshire, England
Harry Chapman Grandson M 7 Cambridgeshire, England<<<<<<<<<<



Possible 1881 census??
William Long
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name William Long
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place March, Cambridgeshire, England
Registration District North Witchford
Gender Male
Age 40
Marital Status Married
Occupation Ag Lab
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1841
Birthplace March, Cambridgeshire, England
Page Number 10
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 1690/91
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

William Long Head M 40 March, Cambridgeshire, England
Betsy Long Wife F 39 March, Cambridgeshire, England
John Long Son M 18 March, Cambridgeshire, England
Ann Long Daughter F 16 March, Cambridgeshire, England

Possible marriage:

Marriages Sep 1861
Fitzhugh Betsy N Witchford 3b 834a
LONG William N. Witchford 3b 834a

Brother Eric's Probate

Name: Eric Algernon Harding
Death Date: 13 Jun 1977
Death Place: Chatteris Cambs
Probate Date: 12 Dec 1977
Registry: Ipswich


1939

Harding Household (7 People)
Holme Station Street , Chatteris U.D., Cambridgeshire, England


Eric A Harding 26 May 1910 Male Farmers Managing Clerk & Cashier Married 226 3
Brian W Harding 14 Jan 1938 Male Under School Age Single 226 1
Colin A Harding 06 Sep 1928 Male At School Single 226 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Olive Harding 17 Aug 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 226 5
Percy Harding 19 Jul 1932 Male At School Single 226 6
Roland Harding 21 Feb 1930 Male At School Single 226 7

Marriage

Name: Eric A Harding
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1928
Registration district: North Witchford
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Spouse: Olive Papworth
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 1357

Possibly Ethel Porter in 1891 census:

England and Wales Census, 1891
Name: Alfred Porter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
County: Cambridgeshire
Parish: Chatteris
Ecclesiastical Parish: CHATTERIS
Registration District: North Witchford
Residence Note: Bridge Street
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Agricultural Laborer
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1867
Birthplace: Epping, Essex, England
Page Number: 9
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 1300/ 127

Head
Male
24
Epping, Essex, England
Annie Porter
Wife
Female
26
March, Cambridgeshire, England
Ada Porter
Daughter
Female
2
Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
Ethel Porter<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Daughter
Female
0
Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England


and 1901 census:

Ethel Porter
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name Ethel Porter
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Chatteris (Isle Of Ely), Cambridgeshire, England
County Cambridgeshire
Civil Parish Chatteris (Isle Of Ely)
Ecclesiastical Parish St Peter Chatteris
Sub-District Chatteris
Registration District North Witchford
Residence Note Bridge Street
Gender Female
Age 11
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1890
Birthplace Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Schedule Type 117
Page Number 18

Alfred Porter Head M 34 Epping, Essex
Annie Porter Wife F 35 March, Cambridgeshire
Horace Porter Son M 16 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Ada Porter Daughter F 12 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Ethel Porter Daughter F 11 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Alfred Porter Son M 7 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Robert Porter Son M 6 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Walter Porter Son M 4 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
George Porter Son M 1 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire


Possible death for Alfred:

Deaths Dec 1901
Porter Alfred 34 N. Witchford 3b 319


Possible 2nd marriage for Annie:

Marriages Mar 1903

Jackson John Maltman N. Witchford 3b 763
Porter Annie N. Witchford. 3b 763

and recorded in the above 1911 census posted by Erika as ANNIE MALTMAN

ADDED:
Not Annie's 2nd mariage in 1903 but possibly her 3rd

Birth reg for Ethel (records MMN Long:

PORTER, ETHEL MMN LONG
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 534

Possible 1st marriage for Annie:
Marriages Jun 1883
CHAPMAN George N. Witchford 3b 951<<<<<<<<
HAWKINS Alice N. Witchford 3b 951
LONG Annie N. Witchford 3b 951 <<<<<<<<
Wilson Edward N. Witchford 3b 951

Possible death for George:
Deaths Dec 1885
Chapman George 24 N. Witchford 3b 385

Possible 2nd marriage for Annie:

Marriages Mar 1888
CHAPMAN Annie N. Witchford 3b 688
PORTER Alfred N. Witchford 3b 688

Fred's father married a third time

Name: Naomi Hills
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: North Witchford
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 1324
Records on Page:
Name
Lewis Harding
Naomi Hills

1911
Name: Lewis Harding
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Glasmose Whittlsey
Civil Parish: Chatteris
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Street address: Mount Pleasant Farm, Chatteris, Cambs
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Farm Foreman
Registration district: North Witchford
Registration District Number: 185
Sub-registration district: Chatteris
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 147
Piece: 9247
Household Members:
Name Age
Lewis Harding 48
Naomi Harding 50
Walter Harding 15
Anne Hills 21
Charles Hills 18
Ada Hills 14
Haris Hills 12
Ivey May Hills 10
Aarthur Randell 32
William Emeary 53
Joseph Benstead 29
Joe Smith 26

She outlived him
Name: Naomi Harding
Death Date: 8 Mar 1947
Death Place: Cambridgeshire, Cambridge, England
Probate Date: 26 Mar 1947
Registry: Peterborough
Probate to Emma Sansom and Herbert Hills

1939

Sansom Household (6 People)
Horseway Farm , Chatteris U.D., Cambridgeshire, England


Naomi Harding 06 Apr 1860 Female Domestic Duties Widowed 64 6
Arthur Sansom 21 Feb 1885 Male Agricultural Foreman Married 64 1
Emma Sansom 12 Jan 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Dutie Married 64 2
Reginald A Sansom 01 Oct 1910 Male Agricultural Tractor Driver Married 64 3
Margery E Sansom 24 Jan 1916 Female Land Worker Married 64 4