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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 6 Oct 2019 13:54

Baptism: 29 Oct 1865 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Ann Hamilton - [Child] of Ann Hamilton, Single Woman
Abode: Tarleton
Baptised by: M. Fletcher Rector
Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1888, Page 180, Entry 1437
Source: LDS Film 1278941

Unknown

Unknown Report 6 Oct 2019 13:56

ErikaH

I researched his name and found out he was a farmer's son. There was a male and female witness who eventually married each other.

I will check and see if I can find a baptism record.

Thanks

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 6 Oct 2019 14:01

Thanks for clarifying that, Kathryn

His (half?) sister's baptism doesn't give any paternal info.....................

Unknown

Unknown Report 6 Oct 2019 14:22

Anne Hamilton is listed as Mary Hamilton's daughter on the 1851 census. On the 1871 census daughter Anne is not listed but Ann aged 5 is listed as granddaughter.
When John William is on the 1881 census he is just listed as 'Boarder' and not Grandson. The address on the 1881 census is the same address as is shown on John William's marriage certificate, so he lived with them for a while. He was married in 1889.

mgnv

mgnv Report 14 Oct 2019 21:55

I think you could run across some odd situations, and it might help to see similar examples.


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Boarders on census

1871 Census
Piece: SCT1871/168 Place: Aberdeen -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 20
Civil Parish: St Nicholas Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: West
Folio: 0 Page: 10 Schedule: 52
Address: 21 Berry Lane
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SUTHERLAND Andrew Head M M 48 Scavenger Aberdeenshire - King Edward 2 rooms
SUTHERLAND Elizebeth Wife M F 51 Aberdeenshire - New Aberdour
ROBERTSON Wm Boardr M M 32 Railway Labourer Aberdeenshire - New Deer
SHAND Alexr Boardr U M 19 Railway Labourer Aberdeenshire - New Pitsligo

The boarder Wm is actually Andrew's step-son.
The boarder Alexr is actually Andrew's son.

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ensuses
Some people do get double-counted, e.g., my grandad's Aunt Christie:


1851 Census
Piece: SCT1851/218 Place: Longside -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Longside Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 176 Page: 10 Schedule: 52
Address: South Street, Mintlaw
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GREIG John Head M M 32 Farm Servant Aberdeenshire - Fraserburgh
GREIG Margaret Wife M F 23 Aberdeenshire - Longside
GREIG Christian Dau - F 2 Aberdeenshire - Longside
GREIG William Son - M 6m Aberdeenshire - Longside


1851 Census
Piece: SCT1851/218 Place: Longside -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Longside Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 176 Page: 21 Schedule: 100
Address: Hill Of Mintlaw
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SLESSOR William Head M M 66 Farmer Of 15 Acres & Carrier Aberdeenshire - Longside
SLESSOR Christian Wife M F 52 Aberdeenshire - Old Deer
SLESSOR Mary Dau U F 26 Aberdeenshire - Longside
Page: 176/22 SLESSOR John D Son U M 17 Farmer & Carrier's Son Aberdeenshire - Longside
GREIG Christian Grndau - F 2 Aberdeenshire - Longside


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Eliz Anderson maiden surname Scott died 31/7/1875
Her death was rego'ed by her son with the wrong forename.
Maybe rego'ing her death brought on a brain-freeze.
However, this was corrected on the gravestone MI
As an aside, women, at least at that time and place (the Buchan area in N Aberdeenshire). were buried under their maiden surnames.
I didn't know abt Alex - he was 16 in 1841, but isn't with the family on the Rathen census.
I later found a "15" y.o. Alex with, probably, his 14 y.o. bro working as Ag Labs on a Crimond farm 5km away.

Rathen OPR Dec 25th 1794
William Scott in Spillarsford ha a daur by his wife Elis'th Rainie bapt named Elisa'th.

Lonmay OPR 1823
April 13th William Anderson and Elizabeth Scott both
in this parish declared their purpose of marriage and
were married.

1875 Deaths in the Parish of Turriff in the County of Aberdeen Page 12 Entry 35
Christina Anderson Crofter Widow of William Anderson Agr Labourer
1875 July Thirty first 1h m0, PM Hill of Ardmiddle Parish of Turriff
F 80 years
William Scott Farmer (deceased) ---- Scott M.S. Rannie (deceased)
Old Age & Debility Not certified
Alex'r Anderson Present
1875 August 2d At Turriff William Ingram Registrar

MI Parish of Turriff in the County of Aberdeen
1876
Erected by Alexander Anderson,
Hill of Ardmiddle, in memory
of his son Alexander
who died 20th Octr 1874
aged 21 years.
also his mother
Elizabeth Scott, who died
31st July. 1876, aged 80 years,
also his wife
Margaret Watson who died
22nd Novr 1890 aged 71 years
The above Alexander Anderson
died 19th June 1908 aged 83 years.

1908 Deaths in the Parish of Turriff in the County of Aberdeen Page 12 Entry 35
Alexander Anderson Crofter Widower of Margaret Watson
1908 June Nineteenth 4h 0m, PM Knowehead Muiresk Turriff
M 83 years
William Anderson Farm Servant (deceased) Elizabeth Anderson M.S. Scott (deceased)
Senile Decay as certified by G P. Grerar M B CM.
Margaret Henry Granddaughter (present) 45 Ballinellie Street Turriff
1908 June 19th At Turriff J Thomson Registrar


Six of Eliz's descendents had been searching for her d.cert for quite a while.
None of us guessed she'ld be rego'ed under the wrong name.
AFHS used to have an on-line data base that was sort of like an index to theit MI booklets, with names grouped by gravestone.
I stumbled across Anderson & Scott on the same Turriff MI, so I asked the others if they had the Turriff MI booklet.
One of the others got Eliz & Alex Smr's d.cert, and took a pic of the gravestone, which I've transcribed above.

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The situation you might come across is with age at death.


Burial: 6 Mar 1874 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancs.
Margaret Lee -
Age: 77 years
Abode: Tarleton
Buried by: Robert C. Fletcher Curate
Register: Burials 1813 - 1883, Page 161, Entry 1287
Source: LDS Film 1278941

LEE, MARGARET 81
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 522

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1874
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
LEE Margaret 81 Tarleton Preston TAR/5/59

Burial: 6 Mar 1874 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancs.
Margaret Lee -
Age: 77 years
Abode: Tarleton
Buried by: Robert C. Fletcher Curate
Register: Burials 1813 - 1883, Page 161, Entry 1287
Source: LDS Film 1278941

Marriage: 2 Jul 1823 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Lee - (X), of Tarleton
Margaret Taylor - (X), of Tarleton
Witness: John Miller; Edwd. Fell, (X)
Married by Banns by: Richd.Walker Curate
Register: Marriages 1822 - 1837, Page 2, Entry 4
Source: LDS Film 1278941

Baptism: 15 Apr 1798 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Margaret Taylor - Daughter of Thomas Taylor & Betty, his Wife
Source: LDS Film 1278941


The above marr is the 4th in that register.
The previous marr rego covered 60+ years, and seems lost, as do the matching BTs (Bishops Transcripts).
I don't see eother on LDS films, nor at the Lancs Record Office.