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Frustrated with GR census

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Lynnedee Report 22 May 2020 18:53

Why is it that I can look for John Johnson born 1829 with his son James born in 1862 living in Northumberland in 1871 on two sites that I cant view as I do not subscribe to those sites and yet when I put those very same details to GR - the site I DO subscribe to GR doesn't show the same birth year, surely if its the same census the details should match? So frustrating! (sorry for moaning-just needed to say)


ErikaH Report 22 May 2020 19:45

If you can’t view the records, how do you know the info you see is for the same person as on GR?


ErikaH Report 22 May 2020 19:49

On FMP, the only John Johnson in Northumberland born 1829 and with a son James is in Eglingham....BUT the son ‘s birth year is c1868, not 1862

Are you certain of your facts?


greyghost Report 22 May 2020 19:49

Can you post the GR census or give details of where living etc. who else in household etc from the others. Helpers can have a look and see if they can explain.


Lynnedee Report 22 May 2020 20:20

The initial details show the name, county and birth year and obviously the census year but to get the full details to check if it is the correct person and also the household members etc I need to view and without a subscription I cant access. If the year is correct or almost then there is a chance it could be the person I am looking for but otherwise I would use all my credits looking for the closest ones before I get close. Hope that makes sense. I should have put a' c 'in front of both dates as these dates were given in a letter so therefore I knew there was a possibility that it would be approx.
What I was trying to say was that if I can find at least the year ie 1829 on a census on one site why is it not shown on another for exactly the same census year and I know you can put the 2years + or - . I just needed to have a grumble about it sorry folks. I do appreciate all your help.


safc Report 22 May 2020 20:45


Record Transcription:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Barrington Colliery, Bedlington, Morpeth, Durham & Northumberland, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Johnson Head - Male 51 1820 - Northumberland, England
Jane Johnson Wife - Female 50 1821 - Northumberland, England
Richard Johnson Son - Male 25 1846 - Northumberland, England
William Johnson Son - Male 22 1849 - Northumberland, England
George Johnson Son - Male 16 1855 - Northumberland, England
Martha Johnson Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Northumberland, England
James Johnson Son - Male 8 1863 - Northumberland, England
Ann Creighton Visitor - Female 10 1861 - Northumberland, England


malyon Report 22 May 2020 20:46

you could try familysearch its free


malyon Report 22 May 2020 20:53

from family search

England and Wales Census, 1871

John Johnson
Event Type:
Event Date:
Event Place:
Eglingham, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Eglingham, Eglingham, Northumberland, England
Enumeration District:
Marital Status:
Agricultural Labourer
Birth Year (Estimated):
Belford, Northumberland
Relationship to Head of Household:
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):
Entry Number:
Affiliate Image Identifier:
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Johnson Head Male 42 Belford, Northumberland
Martha Johnson Wife Female 36 Thropton, Northumberland
Adam Johnson Son Male 5 Eglingham, Northumberland
James Johnson Son Male 3 Eglingham, Northumberland
Mary A Johnson Daughter Female 2 Eglingham, Northumberland
John Johnson Son Male 0 Eglingham, Northumberland
Jane Johnson Mother Female 83 Windmill Hill, Northumberland


ErikaH Report 22 May 2020 21:34

If Your James was born 1862, he isn’t the one with father John 1829 in 1871 census


Lynnedee Report 22 May 2020 22:05

Sorry everyone, I've had my grumble,, I'm back on track and have been searching sites and looked properly at the letter I have - which isn't too helpful. I am on family search so I have been looking honest! lol
Here is all the information the letter gave me:
John Johnson born c1829 Sutton, Surrey
He married Emma c1840??
Their son James William Johnson born c1862-1935 Surbiton
He married in 1889 Jane Turner in Tynemouth, Northumberland.

This is how the details are on the letter, ( I originally thought the family had perhaps moved to Tynemouth which is why I was looking for John and James in that area)


safc Report 22 May 2020 22:18

Record Transcription:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Alpha Road (Winsons Cottage), Kingston on Thames, Kingston, Surrey, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Johnson Head - Male 42 1829 - Surrey, England
Emma Johnson Wife - Female 31 1840 - Surrey, England
James W Johnson Son - Male 10 1861 - Surrey, England
Emma C Johnson Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Surrey, England
William R Johnson Son - Male 1 1870 - Surrey, England


Lynnedee Report 22 May 2020 22:43

Thank you. I think I am sorted now as I've found some more information too Thanks again for your help.


ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2020 11:34

GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in KINGSTON SURREY Volume 02A Page 203

Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%)
COLLYER Emma Kingston 2a 317
Johnson John Kingston 2a 317


ErikaH Report 23 May 2020 12:50

So, the census info isn’t wrong, or different on various sites.


Lynnedee Report 23 May 2020 14:59

Thank you ArgllGran.