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Bear with me please as this gets complicated.
Violet Lydia Lucy Amelia Dollar (my grandmother), was born in 1902 in Stockbridge

Her parents on the birth certificate are show as Edgar Dollar and Lucy Dollar(formerly Newman)

Edgar was born in 1849 in Stockbridge

I have found Edgar and Lucy and their children on the 1901 census in Stockbridge and 1891 census in Lambeth. Edgar was single and in a workhouse in 1881

Lucy is shown as Edgar's wife on the census returns but I have never found a marriage

On her death certificate in 1909 she is shown as Lucy Dollar Young aged 47 and her death was recorded by her son Alfred Dollar Young

I have a marriage certificate dated 1906 showing an Edward William Newman (otherwise known as Dollar] marrying a Florence Isaacs

Lucy also had a baby 1879, Edith Florence Newman (born in the workhouse and no father shown)

I have never found a marriage between Dollar and Newman and have tried searching Dollar/Young marriage and Newman/Young marriages but haven't been able to find any

Can anyone suggest where I can go next?

Many thank for taking the time to read this

Dee

Have you got the birth certificate of the son, Alfred Dollar Young? This might give some clues as to where the name Young comes from.

Alfred was registered as

Name: Alfred Edgar A Doller
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Stockbridge
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 96

Gro record

DOLLER, ALFRED EDGAR ARTHUR NEWMAN
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in STOCKBRIDGE Volume 02C Page 96


Death
Name: Alfred Edgar A Doller
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 27 Jul 1892
Registration Date: Oct 1972
[Nov 1972]
[Dec 1972]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Winchester
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 2185

DOLLER, ANNIE ISABEL NEWMAN
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in STOCKBRIDGE Volume 02C Page 119


Name: Edger Dollar
[Edgar Dollar]
[Edger Doller]
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Lucy Dollar
Birth Place: Stockbridge, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Stockbridge
Search Photos: Search for 'Stockbridge' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Stockbridge St Peter
Town: Stockbridge
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Stockbridge
Sub-registration District: Stockbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1079
Folio: 69
Page Number: 21
Household Schedule Number: 150
Household Members:
Name Age
Edger Dollar 56
Lucy Dollar 39
Ethel R Dollar 15
Alfred G Dollar 8
Florence G Dollar 12
Ellen M Dollar 5
Annie I Dollar 1
Thomas Isaacs 43

NEWMAN, EDWARD WILLIAM COYNE -
GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in STOCKBRIDGE Volume 02C Page 92

No, must admit I haven't got that, There is an 8 year old Alfred on the 1901 census, but I would have thought he would have been too young to register his Mother's death in 1909?
The only vague possible I have found is an Alfred Newman born Lambeth 1894 but have not sent for the certificate

1911 census

Name: Edward William Newman
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stockbridge, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
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Country: England
Street Address: 3 North Street, Landport, Portsmouth
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Royal Navy Seaman
Registration District Number: 90
Sub-registration District: Portsea and Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 5566
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward William Newman 28
Florence Newman 24
Florence Edith Newman 1

Maybe you need to work a timeline for Alfred Dollar Young to see when he added the Young.

Sooo there doesn’t seem to be a marriage between Edgar and Lucy

Name: Edgar Doller
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: abt 1847
Registration Date: Jul 1932
[Aug 1932]
[Sep 1932]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Stockbridge
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 120

Thank you Shirley, that was quick.
I guess I am surprised that a 17 year old registered the death

And Lucy has acquired the Young name between 1901 and her death

Name: Lucy Dollar-young
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place: Stockbridge, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Dec 1909
Inferred Death Place: Hampshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 2c
Page: 67

Alfred Dollar Young is back to being Dollar/Doller in 1911.

Alfred Arthur Edward Doller
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Alfred Arthur Edward Doller
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stockbridge, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Bitterne
Country: England
Street Address: Moorlands Farm, Town Hill, Bitterne, Hants
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Under Cowman On Farm
Registration District Number: 100
Sub-registration District: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 6045
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter John May Eldridge 25
Elizabeth Kate Eldridge 28
Kathleen Emma May Eldridge 4
Alfred Arthur Edward Doller 18


No help with your query, but posting in case you don't have this:

Alfred Arthur Edwin Dollar
in the UK, British Army World War I Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Alfred Arthur Edwin Dollar
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1893
Birth Place: Stockbridge, Hampshire, England
Age: 20
Document Year: 1913
Regimental Number: 1915
Regiment Name: Hampshire Regiment
Form Title: Territorial Force Attestation
Number of Images: 2
: Name Relation to Soldier
Alfred Arthur Edwin Dollar


Address: New Buildings, Longstock.
Occupation: Agricultural carter, working for Mr Holloway, Longstock.
NOK: Mr Dollar, Stockbridge

He only served from 25/1/1913 until 11/11/1914 - no reason given.

Namelessone, think that is the only way forward. Have a feeling our Lucy may have never actually married and of the fathers of her children. :-(

Here is where the Young comes in

Ethel rose Doller on the 1901 census isnt reg as such but this looks like her birth


YOUNG, ETHEL ROSE NEWMAN
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 99

Thank you ArgyllGran I hadn't got that

So I wonder why Alfred was Young Dollar on the death certicate but Dollar Newman on his death records !!

Ethel Rose is a strong possibility I think

Registering a death at 17 isn't that surprising. My ancestors were mainly working from 10 or 12 years old by the end of the 1800's and it was legal for boys to marry at 14 at the time of Lucy's death.

Kath. x

Lucy's first child (1882) is Newman, the second (1885) is Young, and all the younger ones are Dollar, so it looks as if Lucy was with a Mr Young around 1884, and then moved in with Edgar Dollar by 1887.

As his older sister's name was officially Young, and if he was aware that Lucy and Edgar weren't married, perhaps young Alfred thought his mother was also officially Young - and called himself Young when registering to make it sound more respectable.
All speculation!


Lucy with her parents in 1871:

Lucy Newman
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Lucy Newman
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: 1863
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Chilbolton Hampshire England
Civil parish: Barton Stacey
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
Town: Newton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Andover
Sub-registration district: Longparish
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 1240
Folio: 26
Page number: 7
Household Members Age Relationship
George Newman 32 Head
Sarah Newman 29 Wife
Lucy Newman 8 Daughter
Mary Ann Newman 6 Daughter
Henry Newman 3 Son
Alfred Newman 1 Son

She's with Edgar on the 1891 and 1901 censuses.
Can't see her in 1881 so far.

You have a point there Kathleen, I am looking at it through modern day eyes.

Thank you everyone for your input, much appreciated.

Violet was my Dad's birth mother so I have no family members to ask questions of, Edgar seems to have been a very colourful character from what I have found out and ended his days as Town Crier in Stockbridge