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Another thread that could do with a nudge

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susan, are you still looking st this? I have to admit I had forgotten all about it, might have another look tomorrow, too tired tonight. would be nice to find some of mine in there!!!!!

Ann
Glos

Hi Mark,

I am still finding loads too. sometimes it pays to read through a few more pages :-)

Susan
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Susan,

I managed to find my grandfather's WWII service number!

Because the page was wholly filled with names and numbers, I decided to flip backwards to previous pages to see what the heading was (e.g. the unit name) and was pleased to find he was on a list of people promoted to 2nd Lieutenant, in 1940. I already knew that he was a Major by the end of the War, so the chronology of this stage in his career was an interesting new find.

There were only 2 more pages to the front of the supplement, so I carried on going and, on page 1 there was a story about someone fighting to the last and getting the VC.

In Somalia, of all places. I wasn't previously aware that WWII ever reached that part of the world.



regards,


Mark


[EDIT] The stuff I found prompted my dad to send me a copy of a War Office letter which showed he was made an Honorary Major at the time his commission came to an end, in March 1946. Which means he was, in fact, a Captain when the war ended.

The letter said an announcement would appear in the London Gazette but I'll need to use different search terms to retrieve that as it didn't show up at the previous attempt.

Just checked and he died in the June quarter of 1846, maybe he was ill in 1843.

ann
Glos

Interesting that one of the people named is also a grocer and one a miller (presumably from whom he would get flour), so yes it looks as though he owed money but it doesn't mention bankruptcy.

Edit
Just checked and he died in the June quarter of 1846, maybe he was ill in 1843.

ann
Glos
Ann
Glos

Hmmm.. I saw one similar and also wondered.......not sure but it looks as if he owed the other people money and gave up his assets to pay for his debts

perhaps someone else can give a fuller explanation but I found this on Wikipedia which also has some other interesting links pertaining to the word indenture.


An Indenture is a legal contract between two parties, particularly for indentured labour or a term of apprenticeship but also for certain land transactions. The term comes from the medieval English "indenture of retainer"[1] — a legal contract written in duplicate on the same sheet, with the copies separated by cutting along a jagged (toothed, hence the term "indenture") line so that the teeth of the two parts could later be refitted to confirm authenticity.[2] Each party to the deed would then retain a part. When the agreement was made before a court of law a tripartite indenture was made, with the third piece kept at the court. The term is used for any kind of deed executed by more than one party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indenture



Update.....he probably had sufficient to pay off his debts and luckily avoid the bankruptcy courts. ( in answer to Ann's remark above )

Susan
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Well I did find something yesterday but I am not sure what it means. It refers to my Gtx3Grandfather's sister's husband. (with me so far?) William Trodd.

Notice is hereby given, that William Trodd of Froyle, in the county of Southampton, Grocer, has by indenture, dated the 8th day of april 1843, assigned all his estate and effects to Robert Caffall, of Alton, in the same county, Grocer, and John Simmonds of Froyle, in the same county, Miller, upon trust for the benefit of themselves and the several creditors of the said William Trodd who shall execute the said indenture within three months from its date; and that the said indenture was duly executed by the said William Trodd and Robert Caffell on the 10th day of April last, and by the said John Simmonds on the 18th day of April last; and that the execution of the said indenture by the said William Trodd, Robert Caffell and John Simmonds, respectively, was attested by William Clement of Alton aforesaid solicitor; and notice is also hereby given that the said indenture now lies at the office of Messrs: Clement of Alton aforesaid; solicitors for perusal and execution by the creditors of the said William Trodd - Dated this 15th day of May 1843.


Ann
Glos

I am still trawling through all the Lightfoots..lol

My other lot (the Knights) makes searching interesting as loads of Sir this and Sir that pop up
:-(((

Got a name change I think in BIL's family.

I have searching for old London addresses and that has been quite successful :-))

Sue xx

Wow! Mick

Did you know of this before-hand? What a find!

I have been able to put meat on the bones of a few of mine too ( not as good as that one though ).

It just shows that a Tin-plate worker ( one of mine ) could have actually been a manufacturer and a chimney sweep owned his own business, a straw bonnet maker owned a shop and they lived at more addresses than we knew about, which has helped enormously with birth cert verification and the validity of the correct person. The census, it seems, just has the bare bones.

Susan
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Hi Susan- have a look at this one- an absolute classic!
And posted by Robert Peel himself!
This is my gt gt grandfather-

Whitehall February 7 1826.

“Whereas it has been humbly represented unto the King, that in the night
of Friday 3rd February instant, a barn, filled with corn, the property of Mr Daniel Winterton, a farmer, of Thurmaston, in the County of Leicester, and guardian of the poor there, was maliciously set on fire by some evil-disposed person or persons unknown;
His Majesty, for the better apprehending and bringing to justice the persons concerned in the felony above mentioned, is hereby pleased to promise His most gracious pardon to any one of them (except the person who actually set the said barn on fire,). who shall discover his accomplice or accomplices therein, so that he she or they may be apprehended and convicted thereof.”

ROBERT PEEL

I guess you need to find a few more hours in the day Susan.

Ann x

Update on finding those who have changed their name.

I assumed that only the 1940s were documented but it seems there are other years

Date:28 June 1963 Issue number:43041 Page number:5586

For others after the 40s enter the words..... Deed Poll


and when am I gong to finish my painting Ann?

thanks for that tip will try it later. But when am I going to get the time to download all my holiday photos if I am reading the Gazette?

I hadn't meant to Ann Lol

I just had to enter my latest name and Voila lol

I have also found a few in the Belfast Gazette......sheesh.....I am supposed to be painting


In answer to 'how to find the name changes section'

add the words ....... assume the name of..... ( in the middle box )
and it will bring up about four years worth of issues in the 1940s


If anyone finds an easier or quicker way of searching please feel free to add :-))

Susan
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Susan, Have you still got your head buried in the paper!!!! Haven't had time to look today but will get back to it later.

Wendy, another 2.30am bed time???? football again? did he stay awake this time?

Ann
Glos

Thank you all for adding. I am so pleased the site has had so many successes... and a free one at that. :-) I tied up so many loose ends in my own reaserch. :-)))))

I have to admit to knowing about it a while back but hadn't seriously thought it would help with research as much as it has.

Just a reminder that the Belfast and Edinburgh Gazettes are also on the same site.


Susan
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Update.....I am so excited yet again.

A second cousin just sent me details confirming a birth and parents who died. She and her sister were placed in a orphanage just after 1845. I have just found him in the London Gazette. He was made bankrupt in the same year as his death.....cant wait to get the death cert to see if it was natural or self inflicted. We had no idea he ran a company!

I knew my father in law had been made bankrupt in the 60s but could not find him, but by tapping in his surname first followed by his first and middle name up it came. I was doing it the other way round

Now my problem is do I wake my husband up,( who has just done a 12hr night shift), to tell him.