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Have now checked workhouse records thought she might be transferred from there to jail nothing found then was advised to check LSPCC records (early NSPCC) to see if any neglect or abuse nothing found .

Any further suggestions anyone please



Chris

The family was split up and the older children were taken away but that didn't happen until 5 years after the twins died

Her husband was a marine fireman who was away at sea a lot.I don't think she was employed at the prison rumour has it she was very fond of the "pop"

I went to the archives today not a mention of her in magistrates or quarter sessions court papers,asked if anyone there could make any further suggestions but the staff had never seen a prison death certificate for babies before .

At a total loss now HELP

Have you contacted the Archives? I think that has to be the only option.

Hi again

Threads gone very quite anybody have any further thoughts on this one ?

I think at that time, it would be normal for the twins to be breast-fed. Perhaps that's why they went to live with their mother.

Gwyn

Hi all

Just an update twins died 6 days apart both from malnutrition and exhaustion they were 5 months old but were not born in the prison.
Was it usual for woman convicted of a crime to be imprisoned with their babies.The older children were left at home

Just an update FOI brought no information from walton Jail have now found out local library have quarter assizes records for that period 1907 might be worth atry to see if and what Granny was convicted of

I doubt whether the prison would have the information. Newspapers is another option but it would mean a long search as you don't know when the crime was committed.

You could try the Liverpool Archives

Liverpool Record Office,

Central Library,
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Liverpool L3 8EW

Telephone
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I'm sure they could help you. Perhaps there are newspaper reports about your grandmother. If I was you I'd give them a call about your predicament.

Good luck Christine. You must let us know the result of this one.

Have just put in a freedom of information request to HMP Walton will see what that brings

You could try the Liverpool Records Office. They might have calendars of prisoners, or may be able to tell you where any records might be held.

They both died in Liverpool work house my Dad was also born there

that sounds like pneumonia, or TB,

Both parents came to england in 1880s they died within 24 hours of each other 20 and 21 april 1921 both of something Bronchial (not spanish flu)

thats awful sad,
maybe they came over with the potato famine
when was that,

they let um keep the baby cos it easier to feed him maybe

and the others sound like they were left angry over it,
thats so tragic, but good they kept in touch with each other,
do you know what killed your grandparents

Hi Julie Ann

Dads parents both died in 1921 when he was 7 he had 2 older sisters and 1 older brother none of his siblings would ever discuss their parents I am in contact with several cousins who are as equally baffled. It seems they took the family secret to the grave.The three older children were removed from the family and placed into the care of the Church in various homes but my Dad for some reason was left with them until they died.Both parents were born in Galway

It certainly doesn't prove that Mum was in prison but its looking more likely.

awe thats so sad, poor thing
your dad never gave you any info ? bout his mam, or where born,
are there any family left