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Can't find parents

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ZZzzz

ZZzzz Report 8 Nov 2009 19:25

Of Arthur Thomas Cleaves, born 1875 Gillingham Kent, they are Edward Cleaves and Annie Cleaves nee Thomas. Arthur is with his Grandparents in 1881 census but no sign of his parents, can anyone advise me where to look please?

Jessie aka Maddies mate

Jessie aka Maddies mate Report 8 Nov 2009 19:39

Have you found them after the 1881

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ZZzzz

ZZzzz Report 8 Nov 2009 19:45

No Jessie, alas I haven't nor any census after, they could both be dead (just thought of that) will try that it would explain why he is with Grandparents DOH :<)

ZZzzz

ZZzzz Report 8 Nov 2009 20:30

All I have so far is Arthur Thomas Cleaves birth cert on it, it says born Layfield, Gillingham Kent 19th jan 1875, Farther Edward Cleaves occupation Market Gardner, Mother Annie Cleaves formerly Thomas.

Carolyn

Carolyn Report 8 Nov 2009 20:46

On the 1881 census there is a EJ Cleaves, Widower, aged 41, living in Gillingham, so maybe his wife had recently died and that's why his youngest son was living with grandparents.

Carolyn

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 8 Nov 2009 21:00

The EJ Cleaves in 1881 must be the one. Edward James Cleaves married Annie Thomas


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Edward James Cleaves
Name: Edward James Cleaves
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Hollingbourne
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 973

Rose

Stevie

Stevie Report 8 Nov 2009 21:05

This appears to be Edward & Annies marriage;

Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%)
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CLEAVES Edward James Hollingbourn 2a 973
FILMER Maria Hollingbourne 2a 973
Sharp Stephen Alfred Hollingbourne 2a 973
Thomas Annie Hollingbourne 2a 973
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Stevie

Stevie Report 8 Nov 2009 21:09

This is probably her death reg (no other viable candidate found);

Name: Annie Cleaves
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 27
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 78

Carolyn

Carolyn Report 8 Nov 2009 21:12

Sorry, on the 1881 census I should have said that EJ Cleaves, was BORN in Gillingham, but LIVING in Leyton, Essex. On Free BMD there is also a death of a Annie Cleaves, aged 27, Dec 1879, West Ham district.

Carolyn

Stevie

Stevie Report 8 Nov 2009 21:13

This could be Edwards death reg;

Deaths Jun 1914
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Cleaves Edward 62 Dartford 2a 704
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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 8 Nov 2009 21:14

Edward is in West Ham district in 1881.

This looks to be another daughter:

Births Mar 1877
Cleaves Annie Charity Medway 2a 534
Deaths Mar 1880
Cleaves Annie Charity 3 W. Ham 4a 82

Rose

Carolyn

Carolyn Report 8 Nov 2009 21:16

Also, it looks as if Edward (EJ) must have been married before because on the 1881 census he has children aged 19, 13 and 9, and Annie would obviously have been too young to have been their mother.

Carolyn

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 8 Nov 2009 21:19

Edward's birth:

Births Dec 1844
CLEAVES Edward James Medway 5 369

First marriage:

Marriages Jun 1863
CLEAVES Edward James Sheppey 2a 1046
PACKER Emily Matilda Sheppey 2a 1046

And death:

Deaths Mar 1904
Cleaves Edward James 60 W. Ham 4a 35

Rose


ZZzzz

ZZzzz Report 8 Nov 2009 21:25

WOW so much information, thank you all very much, there are some certs I will be sending for, I don't know how you do it cos I couldn't but I'm very grateful. Kind regards Sue.