General Chat

Just skimmed through the thread again. Noticed your costs for the checks. 64 pounds. That is ridiculous. Our costs here are $15 AUD for parent volunteers and about $40 for education staff. And the schools pays the cost anyway. There are some organisations who might require people to pay the cost of their CHS checks but on the whole the organisation for whom you work should be paying.

I have photo ID cards for several clubs to which I belong, A photo driving licence,and personally,I feel that I dont need any more.
My family know who I am, the police know who I am, and the government probably know more about me, than I know myself.......

I once was followed by a police van for about four miles,(yes I knew they were there) and only when I was about two hundred yards from home did they decide to stop me.....and before I'd said a word they addressed me by my correct name.....


Bob

I think everybody working with children and vulnerable adults should be vetted, Even Parent Helpers in school. In most cases (every school I have worked in) the school will pay for it anyway. So whats the problem?

When I worked as a childminder my husband had to be vetted even
though he wasn't at home duringthe hours I worked, Not a problem becase it's part of the job.

If you are not happy to be vetted (even if you have nothing to hide) then you are in the wrong job as far as i'm concerned.

Pat

BOB I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE A SORT OF ID CARD
I STILL HAVE MINE c1950

yeah i agree us picking up the tab, is a bit to much,

Stray I don't think most people object to being checked (I certainly don't I had very stringent checks when I joined MOD) but people do object to being told they have to be checked and having to pay for the privilege

I dont(as far as I know, have anything untoward hanging over me,) but I DO object to being "Obliged to be checked "

because if anyone refuses, it can be taken that they DO have something to hide........

Bob

yeah thats true but if ya havent nothign to hide ya wont mind being checked x

with respect Stray,

from what I read in the papers,

Children in the family home, are more likely to be harmed than children at school, even in playground squabbles.......

Bob

yes i supose we are but, if it protects my child i dont care,

and like you say if thy have nothing to hide they wont mind,
xxx

Dont you think that the UK is( if not already) becoming a police state?

they want to bring in ID cards,
they want covertly,everyone to be CRB checked.
the police can stop and search you practically on a whim..
your car can be stopped for also any reason"" Just Routine, Sir""
"err you looked at me in a funny way......."
your driving /Car/ insurance/mot details are electronically held ,
your cars are tracked along the motorways,
you are on camera every 20 yards, in the street,virtually.
your phone calls can be monitored,
your mobile phone by its nature of relay stations can track your position, to within a few yards....
do you realise that ofl-licences and the like HAVE to have CCTV watching the checkout?
no its not just to catch the fiddling cashier, but who buys what, and when........

Bob

BUT, as they say,

IF you have nothing to hide..............et all......

i think ALL adilts working in school, should be CRB checked, even parent helpers
i no one man round here had his children removed due to neglect, and returned after the school holidays, and he is now talking about going int he shool voluntary to help, i know i wont be happy if he is in littleman class!

dont forget, that this needs to work in reverse..........how many teachers /tutors etc,

have their careers ruined because of a wicked child,that may have had a grudge!

Bob

But as I said earlier - a CRB check is NOT a reference. Any offender can have a clear CRB check if they have not been convicted/caught for their offences.

It's not the CRB check - and whether it's clear or not that is the issue - it's the safety of the children. So long as more than one adult is around when there are children present then everyone should be OK (children and adults alike).

We are becoming completely paranoid over this issue. Bear in mind that the bulk of us are never going to commit any type of offence against a child - or another adult. It's the small percentage of people that we need to worry about.

Common sense seems to have taken a back step in all of this.

Jill

I think the £64 odd quid would be very off putting for some tbh.......

Not sure how I feel about it ........on the one hand I feel that anything we can do to protect the vulnerable is a good idea

On the other hand .......I'm sure Vanessa George had all her CRB checks in place and it did nothing to stop her from commiting her disgusting crimes.(I think that was mentioned earlier on in thread but it's the best example there is at the mo)

xx

Sheila WW. I think it was the authors who have petitioned to get these changes. It makes sense for people left alone with juveniles/children and vulnerable adults to be checked,although we can't guarantee that they will never offend (somebody has already quoted the nursery in Plymouth case), at least we will have done the best we can to protect the children etc. People who are never left alone with children, juveniles or vulnerable adults, I can't see the necessity of stringent checks because so many organisations, schools etc rely on volunteer help and these people are not always going to be able to afford to pay for checks. I can see schools and organisations suffering because of this, and groups that rely on parent help like brownies etc. I did see that there is one school that is not letting parents onto the campus at all unless they have been checked, even to take the little ones into their classroom. What a police state we are becoming through fear.

Right,

I have a comment from a club member who IS allowed.

""It's not true that you can't attend a session where a minor or vulnerable adult is present, but you can't be there alone with them. Even though I have been CRB checked I would not take care of a minor on my own, I would always insist on another adult being present, preferably the parent or guardian, someone who could act as a witness should a problem occur. It's as important for us to protect ourselves as it is to protect minors. For full details see the Club Child Protection policy on our website, you can find it in the Private Members pages."

Bob

everybody working with kids should be checked out
if people object they should leave

keeping kids safe is important
every child deserves the best childhood and the safest possible

Well thats not on at all is it?
Are you actually saying that, at a club meeting, if a juvenile member attends, ALL those members that have NOT been Crb'd will have to leave?


I shall have to tell my club that we wont be taking on any youngsters!!!

Bob

We have a similar system here in Oz. Anyone who comes in regular contact with children needs to be Criminal History Screened. The check is valid for three years.