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Help required in finding marriage

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Martin

Martin Report 16 Oct 2019 11:08

I am trying to find confirmation of the marriage between George Hill, b 1824, Staffordshire and Ann (maiden name not known) b 1825 Wolverhampton, died 12/08/1881 7 Nelson Place, Staffordshire.

1851 census - 151 Hanover Street, Hanley with Ann, George and William - this was a pottery works.

1861 - 98 Etruria road, shelton.

1871 - 7 nelson place, hanley - with George, Ann, William, Ann, Martha, Alice, Eliza, Emily, George

1881 - 7 nelson place, hanley where present at ann's death.
Only George, Ann, William and williams son George here.

Any help would be great. Martin

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 16 Oct 2019 11:42

You can find out the maiden name of Ann via her children by using GRO as they have MMN on children registered from 1837 - 1918

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Oct 2019 12:08

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hanover Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Hill Head Married Male 27 1824 Coal Miner Shelton, Staffordshire, England
Ann Hill Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
William Hill Son - Male 0 1851 - Shelton, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Lloyd Visitor Married Male 31 1820 Coal Miner Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Mary Lloyd - Married Female 33 1818 - Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Lloyd Visitor's Son - Male 7 1844 - Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Lloyd Visitor's Son - Male 4 1847 - Bilston, Staffordshire, England

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
98, Etruria Road, Shelton, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Hill Head Married Male 36 1825 Coal Miner Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Ann Hill Wife Married Female 35 1826 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
William Hill Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Ann Hill Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Martha Hill Daughter - Female 5 1856 - Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Alice Hill Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Leek, Staffordshire, England


1851 Census original shows William to be aged 9 months and the census was taken 31 March 1851. So born c late June/early July

So IF registered, his birth should show in June or more likely the September Qtr 1850 (6 weeks allowed to register). Not all births registered until mid 1870's and even then some were not

Possibles - using https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HILL, WILLIAM LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 215

HILL, WILLIAM FERNEYHOUGH
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 190

By 1861 other births can be checked

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HILL, MARTHA LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 138

HILL, ALICE LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 161

So unless Ann had been married previously then her maiden name was Lloyd

Note, in 1851 there are Lloyd visitors - perhaps a brother of Ann?

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Oct 2019 12:11

?? you check through following census to try and "couple up" the others to be sure the correct marriage or check for births using the GRO site above.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1846 (>99%)
Astbury Thomas Stoke On Trent 17 189
Brandell Elizabeth Stoke on Tr 17 189
Buxton Henry Stoke on Trent 17 189
Emery Lewis Stoke on T 17 189
Hill George Stoke on T 17 189 <<<<<<<<<
Lloyd Ann Stoke on Trt 17 189 <<<<<<<<<
Morris Hannah Stoke on T 17 189
Ratcliff Elizabeth Stoke on T 17 189

you need a copy a birth cert. of one of the children to confirm maiden name of the Mother and then the marriage cert. will give full details plus names of Father's to hopefully go back further.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 16 Oct 2019 12:11

I think this is probably the marriage:-

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name HILL
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1846
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

GEORGE HILL married one of these people

Elizabeth Ratcliff, Elizabeth Brandell, Hannah Morris, >>>>>Ann Lloyd<<<<<

District Stoke on Trent
District number -
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 17
Volume as transcribed 17
Page number 189
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Daughter Martha's birth confirming mother's maiden name:-

First name(s) MARTHA
Last name HILL
Birth year 1856
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Lloyd<<<<<<<<<<<<<
District Stoke on Trent
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Page 138
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Kath. x

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Oct 2019 12:17

Would seem to confirm marriage - St Mark, Shelton

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk - free to use

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1846
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HILL George LLOYD Ann Shelton, St Mark Stoke-On-Trent 27/01/187
Total records matching : 1

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 16 Oct 2019 13:44

Marriage 24th May 1846. Both full age. George a bachelor, Ann a spinster.

George's father is William Hill. Ann's father Thomas Lloyd.

Witnesses William Hill (or Hall) and Sarah Hill.

I can't read the occupations (could be Miner).

Kath. x

Martin

Martin Report 16 Oct 2019 14:39

Wow you guys are amazing. I had so many possible Ann's. Thats spot on Kath as William and Sarah are Georges parents.

I will send off for the marriage certificate as you advised to help me go further back. I will also tr the links you sent as im guessing they will assist with all the Staffordshire links.

Many thanks Kath and Greyghost.

. :-) :-) :-)

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Oct 2019 16:09

Possible for George with parents 1841

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hope Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Hill Male 40 1801 Staffordshire, England Coal Miner
Sarah Hill Female 43 1798 Staffordshire, England
George Hill Male 15 1826 Staffordshire, England Coal Banks Man
Ann Derber Female 20 1821 Staffordshire, England Servant


KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 16 Oct 2019 16:33

If you have access to Findmypast the image of the parish register is on there so you wouldn't need to buy the certificate.

EDIT. - think I have managed to copy the parish marriage entry and have sent it to you in a personal message (go to "Messages" at top of screen and open the message and then click on "get attachments").


Kath. x

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Oct 2019 16:44

Possibly an earlier child - Sarah Jane. From 1846 marriage to 1850 birth of William a bit of a gap. It would follow there was an earlier child. It would make the 1841 likely as those are George's parents names (I know relationships aren't actually shown on the 1841)

EDIT - baptised St Mark, Shelton 29 August 1847 by George and Ann Hill

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HILL, SARAH JANE LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 161

HILL, WILLIAM LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 215

HILL, ANN LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 125

HILL, MARTHA LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 138

HILL, ALICE LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 161

HILL, ELIZA LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 160

HILL, EMILY LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 175

HILL, GEORGE LLOYD
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 182

Your OP re the 1871 census says 3 year old George is William's son ?? The relationship is to George as Head of the house.

------------------------------
From Staffordshire bmd site Birth 1847

HILL Sarah Jane LLOYD Shelton Stoke-On-Trent SHE/010/088

Not seeing her 1851 nor a death though (v. quick look)


KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 16 Oct 2019 20:39

This looks like Sarah Jane in the 1851 census with her grandparents:-

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hope Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

William Hill Head Married Male 53 1798 Coal Miner Kingsley, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Hill Wife Married Female 53 1798 - Shelton, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Jane Hill Grand Daughter - Female 3 1848 Scholar Shelton, Staffordshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x