Military Chat

Welcome to the Boards Frances.

MarieCeleste has no connection to the Daniels; she was using her research knowledge to help.

Caroline was asking on behalf of a friend. If you click on Caroline's name, you can send her a message off-board just in case she isn't expecting additional replies. As long as she is still using the same email address, she'll get a message notification and may be able to give you her friends contact details.
EDIT - you said you've sent her a message. Fingers crossed that you can talk with her friend

Hi Caroline and Celeste
I am related to Edwin George Daniels and have a fair lot of information.
The Henry and Mary Ann mentioned above are not part of our family.
I have sent Caroline an email via this site.

Wondering what her interest is?

Hoping we can be in touch.

I'm going to leave this for now until there is more information forthcoming.

Caroline, you say in your opening post "There is another Edwin George Daniels, but I have found to have a family, so wonder if this is not the same person".

Could you clarify what family you found for him, and why dismissed? There was only one birth registered anywhere in the country in the timescale given for an exact match on "Edwin George Daniels".

Just to confuse matters further!

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
60 Canon St Winchester, Winchester, Hampshire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

Edward Francis Marsh Head Married Male Jobbing Gardiner 45 1866 St Georges Camberwell
Elizabeth Marsh Wife Married Female - 45 1866 At Sea Off Irish Coast
Bertie William Marsh Son Single Male Labourer Casual 19 1892 London St Pairn Station
**Eddie Daniels Visitor - Male - 12 1899 Nottingham (Sure image says Wokingham)
**Rose Daniels Visitor - Female - 10 1901 Dorking Surrey

(Haven't copied over all of the lodgers who seem to be workmen recorded as "boarders" whereas Eddie and Rose are recorded as visitors)

Re: the 1901 census posted by Kucinta for an Edwin with parents Henry and Mary Ann, I think this is that boy:

Name: Daniel Edwin Daniels
Birth Date: 3 Jul 1895
Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1895
Archive Provided Parish: Richmond, St Mary Magdalene
Parish as it Appears: Richmond
Father: Henry Daniels
Mother: Mary Ann Daniels

Births Sep 1895
Daniels Daniel Edwin Richmond, S. 2a 406

and this is the Annie (who obviously now isn't Rosina under another name)

Name: Annie Maria Daniels
Birth Date: 28 Jan 1900
Baptism Date: 23 Oct 1900
Archive Provided Parish: Richmond, St John
Parish as it Appears: Richmond, St John the Divine
Father: Henry Daniels
Mother: Mary Ann Daniels

Here's an even earlier school record. Now this may well tie "M Daniels" to "M Chilton"

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914

First name(s) Edwin Geor
Last name Daniels
Birth year 1897
Birth date 26 Nov 1897 (am sure this is Typo and should be Dec)
Event year 1902
School name Ringwood National/Church of England Primary Schools
Town Ringwood
County Hampshire
Country England
Parent name(s) M Daniels
Book type Admissions
Archive reference 58A13/A4

Admitted 28 Jul 1902, address Southampton Street. No leaving date given, just "Moved away"

Caroline, we can't be sure yet that all of the information is relevant - some of it is just "possibles" so we need whatever other information you can possibly get.

EDIT AFTER POSTING: Not 100% sure these are the same lad as on the other school records, birth date different but the Wokingham connection is there ...
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In addition to the school records Kucinta posted, there are also these:

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914

First name(s) Edwin
Last name Daniels
Birth year 1897
Birth date 15 Dec 1897
Event year 1905
School name The Palmer Church of England Junior School
Town Wokingham
County Berkshire
Country England
Parent name(s) John
Book type Admissions
Archive reference 88/SCH/49/4

Admitted 23 May 1905, address Peach Street. Last school was Woking N.S. Reason for leaving the current school on 12 Jul 1905 was "Left the Town".

I think this is him back at the same school soon afterwards:

First name(s) Edwin
Last name Daniels
Birth year 1897
Birth date 05 Dec 1897
Event year 1905
School name The Palmer Church of England Junior School
Town Wokingham
County Berkshire
Country England
Parent name(s) John
Book type Admissions
Archive reference 88/SCH/49/4

Admitted 23 Oct 1905, address 1 Portland Place. Previously at Bere Heath near Wareham. Left current school 8 Feb 1907 - "Family left the neighbourhood".

Seems to tie in with the other school records.

One thing to note is that the M Chilton on the earlier records may have been a guardian and not necessarily parent. On the records here the parent/guardian name is John - no other surname. So do we assume that John was a Daniels as nothing entered to the contrary?

Thank you all for the information you have found so far :-)

If the info on the postem is correct (and I don't see why it wouldn't be as it was made by a family member) then I strongly suspect that this is Rosina mis-recorded in 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Barkham Road, Wokingham Within, Wokingham, Berkshire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

William Bye Head Married Male 48 1853 Engine Driver At Brewery Waltham St Lawrence, Berkshire, England
Elizabeth Bye Wife - Female 51 1850 - Waltham St Lawrence, Berkshire, England
>>Rosetta E Daniels Nurse Child - Female 0 1901 - Wokingham, Berkshire, England
Sarah E West Boarder Married Female 26 1875 - Reading, Berkshire, England
Albert E West Boarder - Male 0 1901 - Wokingham, Berkshire, England

Going back to the Military Medal (or is it a military medal, e.g. Victory or British War?), this is the closest mention I can find in the newspapers:

02 December 1916 - Reading Mercury

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/19328510

The age is about right.

ADDED: From what I can see, this Edwin DANIELL was the son of Jeremiah Daniell and doesn't seem to have been in a boys home.

The trouble with deceased fathers on marriage certificates is that you never know whether or not they are "made up" in order to look more respectable in the eyes of the in-laws!!

Kath. x

Just in case he's connected ....

Anglican Parish Registers. Woking, Surrey (Ancestry)

Name: Philip William Daniels - Lance Corporal, K.O.R.R. Ramillies Barracks, Aldershot
Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1903
Marriage Date: 5 Oct 1927
Archive Provided Parish: Ash, St Peter
Parish as it Appears: Ash
Spouse: Amy Jane Andrews
Spouse Age: 19
Father: Philip Daniels - sailor, deceased <<<<
Spouse Father: Henry Andrews
Reference Number: 6606/1/8

Witnesses: E.J. Turvill & W. Turvill

That looks good to me MarieCeleste.

Kath. x

Ah, I see Kath has added a possible brother's birth in Wokingham which fits well with my 1901 census.

I'm drawn to this 1901, as I mentioned above:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Finchampstead Road, Wokingham Within, Wokingham, Berkshire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary McManeis Head Widow Female 68 1833 On Own Means Ireland
Edwins Daniels Grand Son Single Male 3 1898 - Capel, Surrey, England

Capel is covered by Dorking registration district, as per the birth for Edwin George Daniels above.

This could be the birth of Edwin:-

First name(s) EDWIN GEORGE
Last name DANIELS
Birth year 1898
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District DORKING
County Surrey
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 156

and the younger brother Philip who was mentioned:-

First name(s) PHILIP WILLIAM
Last name DANIELS
Birth year 1903
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District WOKINGHAM
County Berkshire
Country England
Volume 2C
Page 399

Kath. x

Looks like Rosina became Rose:

First name(s) Rose
Last name Daniels
Birth year 1900
Birth date 14 Sep 1900
Event year 1908
School name Fareham Board / Council School
Town Fareham
County Hampshire
Country England
Parent name(s) Mary Chilton<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Book type Admissions
Archive reference 52M77/J19
Folio / page no. -


Her address is given as FairField Cottage Brigefort. She enrolled 3.9.08. Previous school was Cottage Grove Southsea. She left on 4.9.08.The reason was that the admission form had been filled in falsely and she was returned to national S.

This seems to be the family of the Richmond born Edwin form census 1911 already posted by MarieCeleste:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Benns Cottages, 21, Kew Foot Road, Richmond, Surrey, England

Henry Daniels Head Married Male 40 1861 General Labourer Twickenham, Middlesex, England
Mary Ann Daniels Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Richmond, Surrey, England<<<<<
Amy Daniels Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Richmond, Surrey, England
Edwin Daniels Son Single Male 5 1896 - Richmond, Surrey, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hettie Daniels Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Richmond, Surrey, England
Annie Daniels Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - -

It may just be co-incidence, but there is a possible marriage for a Mary Daniels to a Mr Chilton:

Marriages Dec 1904
Chilton George Ringwood 2b 1527<<<<<<<<<<<
Daniels Mary Ringwood 2b 1527<<<<<<<<<<<
Tanner Charles Edward Ringwood 2b 1527
Warne Beatrice Alice Ringwood 2b 1527

Is she the Mary Chilton in the school registers? That would mean Rosina somehow turned into Annie though, in census 1901. :-S

No idea if this relates to your Edwin George but an Edwin Daniels born 26th Dec 1897 is enrolled:

First name(s) Edwin
Last name Daniels
Birth year 1897
Birth date 26 Dec 1897
Event year 1907
School name St Thomas's Higher Grade National/Senior Church of England School, Winchester
Town Winchester
County Hampshire
Country England
Parent name(s) Mary Chilton<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Book type Admissions
Archive reference 177M87/A1
Folio / page no. -
Archive Hampshire Archives

Address is 3 Andrew Road, he had previously attnded school in Woking ham:

Admitted 25.2.07

Mary Chilton is in the columne headed parent or guardian

This boy named Edwin Geo Daniels with the same birthdate of 26 dec 1897 had been at school in Northants, note name of parent:

First name(s) Edwin Geo
Last name Daniels
Birth year 1897
Birth date 26 Dec 1897
Event year 1905
School name Evenley School
Town Evenley
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Parent name(s) M Chilton<<<<<<<<<<<<
Book type Admissions
Archive reference ZB122/43
Folio / page no. -
Archive Northamptonshire Record Office

He was admitted 8.3.1905. A girl named Rosina Daniels is listed underneath him with M Chilton as parent, she was born 14.9.1900, and enlisted on 20.3.05, two weeks after Edwin. They both left 25.3.07.

I found this possible birth for Rosina:

Births Dec 1900 Daniels Rosina Emma Wokingham 2c 344.

There is a post em on freebmd attached to the record from someone who says Rosina Emma is the sister of a Edwin George Daniels, with a contact email address, she also mentions a younger sibling, a Philip William Daniels.