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Hi,

Does anyone know if I can get Derbyshire Parish Records online or does anyone have access to them.

I have found what I believe is a relative of mine Henry Clayton Baptism 26 Dec 1824 at Stanton By Bridge, Derby. His father is Joseph Clayton and his mother Patience.

That is all the information that is available where I got that from but I was wondering if I looked at the parish records if it would give an occupation for the father.

I have previously tried to find information on here and some of you have helped me but I think I may have deleted the thread from my list as it was some while ago.


Thank you in advance.

S. x

Henry Clayton

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Derbyshire, England
parents: Joseph Clayton, Patience

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Henry Clayton
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Dec 1824
baptism/christening place: STANTON BY BRIDGE,DERBY,ENGLAND
father's name: Joseph Clayton
mother's name: Patience
indexing project (batch) number: C05881-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 498128

Hi - Derek has a thread on the Records Office board, here's the url:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/records_office/thread/1191073

1824 dob here on the 1881 cnsus

Henry CLAYTON Head M Male 57 Middleton, Derby, England Grocer
Ann CLAYTON Wife M Female 60 Barton, Leicester, England Wife
Herbert BRAKES Son In Law M Male 32 Whittlesea, Cambridge, England Plumber
Jane BRAKES Daur M Female 27 Oak Mill, Derby, England Wife
Harry BRAKES Son Male 4 Clay Cross, Derby, England
Annie Stretton BRAKES Daur Female 1 m Clay Cross, Derby, England
Elizabeth SMITH Serv U Female 18 Clay Cross, Derby, England General Servant


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Source Information:
Dwelling High Street
Census Place Claylane, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341819
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3427 / 137
Page Number 21

AOGG

that is the birth I found but am not sure it is the same one on the 1881 census as I know he wasn't in Derbyshire then and was not going under the name Henry then either, which is why I wanted more info is possible about the Baptism and I wish I could find my original thread. I believe Clayton was fairly common in Derbyshire.

For anyone that helped before, sorry I should have put in the original post, by 1861 he was going under the name of Major Clayton and which I think had been mistranscribed on an earlier census.

MC just going to check the url out now.

Thank you both.

S x

Is your thread not there when you look in "My Thread Participation" on the left?

1881

Major CLAYTON Head M Male 62 Derby, England Tinker
Eliza CLAYTON Wife M Female 42 Hampshire, England Tinker
Jno. CLAYTON Son U Male 19 Worcester, England Brick Maker
Emily CLAYTON Daugh U Female 14 Walsall, Stafford, England Brick Maker
Joseph CLAYTON Son U Male 11 Warwick, England Scholar
Henry CLAYTON Son U Male 9 Stafford, England Scholar
James CLAYTON Son U Male 7 Stafford, England Scholar
George CLAYTON Son U Male 2 Stafford, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Friezland Lane
Census Place Shenstone, Stafford, England
Family History Library Film 1341665
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2776 / 32
Page Number 32

Major Clayton

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1819 — Derby, England
residence: Shenstone, Stafford, England
spouse: Eliza Clayton

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Major Clayton
age: 62
gender: Male
birth year: 1819
birthplace: Derby, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession / occupation: Tinker
address: Friezland Lane
census place: Shenstone, Stafford, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341665
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 2776 / 32
page number: 32

MC

No it's not I think I must have deleted it as it was at least 12 months ago and never thought I would be able to find out more as they were Tinkers.

S. x

Hannah M. Clayton

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1871 — Brimington Common, Derby, England
residence: Unstone, Derby, England
parents: Henry Clayton

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Hannah M. Clayton
age: 10
gender: Female
birth year: 1871
birthplace: Brimington Common, Derby, England
relationship to head of household: Daur
profession / occupation: Scholar
census place: Unstone, Derby, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341824
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 3445 / 87
page number: 37

AOGG

That is the right family Major has been really difficult to find because I didn't really know his name, in 1851 he was down as Mary and male but I recently found what I believe to be his mothers birth and her fathers name Henry so the birth in Derbyshire looks very likely as I thought all the names matching was too much of a coincidence, also he says on several records he was born in Derbyshire.

S. x

So is it this one you are looking for.
1881 in Staffordshire major Clayton a tinker born @ 1819 debyshire
Wife Elizabeth born hampshire @ 1839.

Death Major Clayton born 1827 died staffs 1889.

Maryb

Mary

Yes that is correct, I have his death cert it definitely says Major a scissor grinder. It was his birth I was having trouble with.

S. x

A tree has him born @ 1827 Lincoln/Knowle Warks to Joseph 1798 also a tinker and Patience born Wilton Warks,they married 1818.

Maryb

I would imagine that would be the same one but a lot of the time I don't even know if they knew where they were born, most of his siblings I have found and they were born Warwickshire.

I have his parents and some siblings in 1851, not him and then I have more of them in together in a tent in Worcestershire in 1861 he is on there as Mary a son and he is 44.

The Derbyshire one had a lot of matches which is why I wanted to know if there was further information available, I believe his mother Patience was a Hewitt before her marriage and her father was called Henry.

S. x

1851 Henley In Arden warwickshire D 8b 29
Henry Clayton age 26 born warwickshire chimney sweep
Elizabeth 22 born henley
Samuel 1850 henley.

1861 Wooten Wawen staffs
Henry Clayton widow 35 a tinker born warwickshire
Samuel 1850 warwickshire
William 1851/2 Knowle warwickshire.

1871
Shenstone staffs D 29 > 11
Major Clayton born Knowle Warwickshire
Eliza born knowle 1841
William 1851

I were thinkig this was Henry/Major.

What do you think?

Maryb

Sorry about the wait for the reply I was trying to find Henry/Major marriage and on the census too.

That is looking very likely for the 1851 and 1871. 1871 is definite because he stays there or within 5 miles until his death.

I have him in 1861 with his parents.

This is what confuses me when I am doing research you are sure you have the right family but things don't add up.

I have Henry/Major in 1881 aged 62 Tinker living Shenstone but
his wife Eliza is 42 so the age gap in 10 years has doubled and the total children they have are 9 the eldest 3 on the 1871 are not at home but 3 younger ones have appeared.

Think I need to take a trip to my local records office to see if I can find baptism records for his children.

S. x

No the above Henry I posted is not the same one,as I have found him in 1871 and clearly not Major.

Back to the drawing board.


Sorry
Maryb

the occupation of joseph Clayton is a chair bottomer.

it says he is a sojourner for his abode so he was travelling around.


meercat.

Many thanks Meercat that would certainly fit with everything I have found so far to them being Gypsy/travellers which is why I had so much difficulty in finding information easily.

I know I will never be able to prove 100% but I think that it most definitely is the person I have been looking for and another piece in the puzzle.

S. x