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Hi,

Sorry to be a pain but if someone could see if they could find Major/Henry in 1841 and 1851 census I would be very grateful as I still can't seem to find him. I do understand that being travellers they may be missing.

In the above the answers the only one that is correct is the 1881 in Shenstone, I have followed the others in the next censuses and none of the children I have are listed.

With Major/Henry would probably be his wife (down as Eliza) in the 1851 and possibly a child called either Joseph or William ( I have them on a later census) or maybe both year of birth where I have them is given as 1850. As for the 1841 I have no clue as to any detail other than the name.

On various documents and census returns I have Major/Henry has his date of birth between 1819 - 1827 it was actually the 1824.

Thank you.

S. x

Many thanks Meercat that would certainly fit with everything I have found so far to them being Gypsy/travellers which is why I had so much difficulty in finding information easily.

I know I will never be able to prove 100% but I think that it most definitely is the person I have been looking for and another piece in the puzzle.

S. x

the occupation of joseph Clayton is a chair bottomer.

it says he is a sojourner for his abode so he was travelling around.


meercat.

No the above Henry I posted is not the same one,as I have found him in 1871 and clearly not Major.

Back to the drawing board.


Sorry
Maryb

Sorry about the wait for the reply I was trying to find Henry/Major marriage and on the census too.

That is looking very likely for the 1851 and 1871. 1871 is definite because he stays there or within 5 miles until his death.

I have him in 1861 with his parents.

This is what confuses me when I am doing research you are sure you have the right family but things don't add up.

I have Henry/Major in 1881 aged 62 Tinker living Shenstone but
his wife Eliza is 42 so the age gap in 10 years has doubled and the total children they have are 9 the eldest 3 on the 1871 are not at home but 3 younger ones have appeared.

Think I need to take a trip to my local records office to see if I can find baptism records for his children.

S. x

1851 Henley In Arden warwickshire D 8b 29
Henry Clayton age 26 born warwickshire chimney sweep
Elizabeth 22 born henley
Samuel 1850 henley.

1861 Wooten Wawen staffs
Henry Clayton widow 35 a tinker born warwickshire
Samuel 1850 warwickshire
William 1851/2 Knowle warwickshire.

1871
Shenstone staffs D 29 > 11
Major Clayton born Knowle Warwickshire
Eliza born knowle 1841
William 1851

I were thinkig this was Henry/Major.

What do you think?

Maryb

I would imagine that would be the same one but a lot of the time I don't even know if they knew where they were born, most of his siblings I have found and they were born Warwickshire.

I have his parents and some siblings in 1851, not him and then I have more of them in together in a tent in Worcestershire in 1861 he is on there as Mary a son and he is 44.

The Derbyshire one had a lot of matches which is why I wanted to know if there was further information available, I believe his mother Patience was a Hewitt before her marriage and her father was called Henry.

S. x

A tree has him born @ 1827 Lincoln/Knowle Warks to Joseph 1798 also a tinker and Patience born Wilton Warks,they married 1818.

Maryb

Mary

Yes that is correct, I have his death cert it definitely says Major a scissor grinder. It was his birth I was having trouble with.

S. x

So is it this one you are looking for.
1881 in Staffordshire major Clayton a tinker born @ 1819 debyshire
Wife Elizabeth born hampshire @ 1839.

Death Major Clayton born 1827 died staffs 1889.

Maryb

AOGG

That is the right family Major has been really difficult to find because I didn't really know his name, in 1851 he was down as Mary and male but I recently found what I believe to be his mothers birth and her fathers name Henry so the birth in Derbyshire looks very likely as I thought all the names matching was too much of a coincidence, also he says on several records he was born in Derbyshire.

S. x

Hannah M. Clayton

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1871 — Brimington Common, Derby, England
residence: Unstone, Derby, England
parents: Henry Clayton

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Hannah M. Clayton
age: 10
gender: Female
birth year: 1871
birthplace: Brimington Common, Derby, England
relationship to head of household: Daur
profession / occupation: Scholar
census place: Unstone, Derby, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341824
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 3445 / 87
page number: 37

MC

No it's not I think I must have deleted it as it was at least 12 months ago and never thought I would be able to find out more as they were Tinkers.

S. x

Major Clayton

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1819 — Derby, England
residence: Shenstone, Stafford, England
spouse: Eliza Clayton

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Major Clayton
age: 62
gender: Male
birth year: 1819
birthplace: Derby, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession / occupation: Tinker
address: Friezland Lane
census place: Shenstone, Stafford, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341665
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 2776 / 32
page number: 32

1881

Major CLAYTON Head M Male 62 Derby, England Tinker
Eliza CLAYTON Wife M Female 42 Hampshire, England Tinker
Jno. CLAYTON Son U Male 19 Worcester, England Brick Maker
Emily CLAYTON Daugh U Female 14 Walsall, Stafford, England Brick Maker
Joseph CLAYTON Son U Male 11 Warwick, England Scholar
Henry CLAYTON Son U Male 9 Stafford, England Scholar
James CLAYTON Son U Male 7 Stafford, England Scholar
George CLAYTON Son U Male 2 Stafford, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Friezland Lane
Census Place Shenstone, Stafford, England
Family History Library Film 1341665
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2776 / 32
Page Number 32

Is your thread not there when you look in "My Thread Participation" on the left?

AOGG

that is the birth I found but am not sure it is the same one on the 1881 census as I know he wasn't in Derbyshire then and was not going under the name Henry then either, which is why I wanted more info is possible about the Baptism and I wish I could find my original thread. I believe Clayton was fairly common in Derbyshire.

For anyone that helped before, sorry I should have put in the original post, by 1861 he was going under the name of Major Clayton and which I think had been mistranscribed on an earlier census.

MC just going to check the url out now.

Thank you both.

S x

1824 dob here on the 1881 cnsus

Henry CLAYTON Head M Male 57 Middleton, Derby, England Grocer
Ann CLAYTON Wife M Female 60 Barton, Leicester, England Wife
Herbert BRAKES Son In Law M Male 32 Whittlesea, Cambridge, England Plumber
Jane BRAKES Daur M Female 27 Oak Mill, Derby, England Wife
Harry BRAKES Son Male 4 Clay Cross, Derby, England
Annie Stretton BRAKES Daur Female 1 m Clay Cross, Derby, England
Elizabeth SMITH Serv U Female 18 Clay Cross, Derby, England General Servant


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Source Information:
Dwelling High Street
Census Place Claylane, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341819
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3427 / 137
Page Number 21

Hi - Derek has a thread on the Records Office board, here's the url:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/records_office/thread/1191073

Henry Clayton

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Derbyshire, England
parents: Joseph Clayton, Patience

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Henry Clayton
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Dec 1824
baptism/christening place: STANTON BY BRIDGE,DERBY,ENGLAND
father's name: Joseph Clayton
mother's name: Patience
indexing project (batch) number: C05881-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 498128