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Oh!! That rules that one out then. Thank you.

Maybe he wasn't registered, although strange that all the others were baptised,and not Lewis. I am beginning to wonder if he had a differant Mother.

I did search on GRO myself using MMN Thomas, with a birth year 2 years either side and the only one I found was the one I mentioned above.

John Jones had died before 1877, but there are so many John Joneses that it's impossible to know when he died.


There's this child:

Isaac Jones
from Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Isaac Jones
Gender Male
Christening Date 26 Aug 1843
Christening Place LLANCYNFELYN,CARDIGAN,WALES
Father's Name John Jones
Mother's Name Elizabeth

Probably this birth:

JONES, ISAAC mms THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH Volume 27 Page 16


Ah! Here they are in 1851:

Isaac Jones
in the 1851 Wales Census
Name: Isaac Jones
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Jones
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Llancynfelyn, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llancynfelin
Ecclesiastical parish: Geneur Glyn
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Aberystwyth
Sub-registration district: Geneur
ED, institution, or vessel: 7a
Piece: 2486
Folio: 154
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jones 57 - hatter
Elizabeth Jones 54
Margaret Jones 16
William Jones 7
Isaac Jones 7

I don't see the birth of William.

Thats brilliant, thank you. Looks like William and Isaac are twins.

I have just ordered from GRO what I think is Lewis Jones death certificate, just hope it is his.

Have also ordered a marriage certificate for Lewis to Ruth Evans, who I am sure is one of his wifes. I know he was married to an Eleanor Humphreys, but I also think there was a 3rd wife.

You are right, so many John Jones and also the same with Lewis Jones.

This has been so complicated.

Possibly Elizabeth and John's marriage - although it's after Catherine's birth, so maybe not.

Elizabeth Thomas
in the Wales, Select Marriages, 1541-1900
Name: Elizabeth Thomas
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 21 May 1827
Marriage Place: Yspytty Cynfyn,Cardigan,Wales
Spouse: John Jones
FHL Film Number: 105216

I have got twins of John and Elizabeth in my tree, info given to me by a cousin but their names are Isaac and Abram. DOB 12th July 1843, also he has John's death as Jan 1865 Trerddol.

Yes, I was about to say that the only other Jones/Thomas birth in the same quarter as Isaac's birth is this one:

JONES, ABRAM mms THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH Volume 27 Page 16

"William" must be a mistake on the part of the enumerator.
Or maybe he was known as William in the family.

Perhaps the Jones parents had a bit of a Biblical sense of humour!

Lol.

Regards to the 1851 census you posted, in 1851 Lewis Jones would have been 12, but he is not on the census.

No, he must have been living elsewhere, perhaps already working.


??

Lewis Jones
in the 1851 Wales Census
Name: Lewis Jones
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangynfelyn, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Henllys
Ecclesiastical parish: Geneur Glyn
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Aberystwyth
Sub-registration district: Geneur
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Piece: 2486
Folio: 14
Page Number: 1
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Edwards 50
William Edwards 44
Eliza Edwards 40
William Evans 16
Lewis Jones 19 - farm servant
Eliza Hughes 22
David James 13

His age could be 12 - it's not clear on the image, and the "9" looks similar to the way the enumerator has written "2" elsewhere.

Just summarising what I have so far:

No birth record for Lewis with MMN of Thomas, although all the other siblings were baptised and he wasn't.

I have him at age 2 on the 1841 census with parents John and Elizabeth.

Cant find him anywhere on the census's for 1851, 1861 and 1871.

Then he appears with Eleanor in 1881. (They married 1877, I have the certificate).

So I have a gap of 40 years, although I think I have found wife number 2, Ruth Evans (Married 1874) if its her.

I really am wondering now if John wasn't his Father, or Elizabeth wasn't his Mother, and he was sent off elsewhere because of this.

Our messages crossed, he would have been 12 in 1851.

His DOB on that census is appx. 1832, maybe he told them he was older that he was.

As I said in my last post, the "9" looks very like the way the enumerator has written "2" elsewhere on the document.
"19" may be a mistranscription.

Yes.

??

Lewis Jones
in the 1861 Wales Census
Name: Lewis Jones
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Llancynfelin, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llanidloes
Ecclesiastical parish: Bangor
Town: Llanidloes
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Newtown
Sub-registration district: Upper Llanidloes
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 47
Neighbors:
Piece: 4243
Folio: 24
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Lewis Jones 25 - miner
Ann Jones 26 - Llanbadarn Fawr
David Jones 2



???


David Jones
in the 1871 Wales Census
Name: David Jones
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Apprentice
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanbadarn-Fawr, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Lower Vainor
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Aberystwith
Sub-registration district: Aberystwith
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 5563
Folio: 41
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Lewis 40
Mary Anne Lewis 13
Hannah Lewis 45
David Jones 12 - tailor apprentice
Jane Jenkins 10

Could be him in the 1861 census, he did go from being a farm hand to a miner, and there are not many Lewis Jones who were born in Llancynfelin.

2 trees in Ancestry have him married to an Ann Owen 1843 Llancynfelin, decd 1875 Machynlleth,

and an Ann Davies born 1835, no DOD married 18/9/1868

I know they can't both be right, but they could both be wrong.

I don't see a marriage to an Ann Owen in a reasonable timeframe.

Ann Davies seems more likley - but marriage 1857, not 1868 -

Lewis Jones
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Lewis Jones
Registration Year: 1857
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Aberystwith
Inferred County: Cardiganshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 105
Records on Page:
Name
Ann Davies <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Lewis Jones <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jane Morgans
William Watkins


You'd need to buy the cert to know for sure.


??

Ann Davies
in the 1851 Wales Census
Name: Ann Davies
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: David Davies
Mother's name: Mary Davies
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberderon, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Henfynyw
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Aberayron
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Aberayron
Sub-registration district: Llandisilio
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Piece: 2484
Folio: 221
Page Number: 11
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
David Davies 55
Mary Davies 52
Mary Davies 23
Ann Davies 17
Margaret Davies 14

EDIT:

No, not that census - "our" Ann was born Llanbadarn-Fawr.

Thank you ArgyllGran I will order that certificate, Ive done so much research on Lewis that I would like to get a complete picture. I did order the one for Ruth Evans, and what I think is Lewis's death certificate. If Ann Davies is correct then that's all 3 wifes.

I really do appreciate all your help today, I know how much time you have spent on it for me.

This is more likely Ann Davies in 1851 - not the one I posted above:

Ann Davies
in the 1851 Wales Census
Name: Ann Davies
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanbadarn, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Isa yn Dre
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Aberystwyth
Sub-registration district: Llanrhystyd
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 2485
Folio: 356
Page Number: 19
Household schedule number: 85
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret James 84
Ann Davies 15


Ann Davies
in the 1841 Wales Census
Name: Ann Davies
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanbadar Fawr
Hundred: Geneur Glynn
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Aberystwyth
Sub-registration district: Aberystwyth
Neighbors:
Piece: 1372
Book: 12
Folio: 7
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Davies 35
Catharine Davies 35
Ann Davies 5
James Davies 3
Elizabeth Davies 8 Mo

A possibility for Ann's death ??

JONES, ANNE 30
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH Volume 11B Page 49

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Burial
County Cardiganshire
Place Llangynfelyn
Church name St Cynfelyn
Register type Parish Register
Burial date 4 Jan 1865
Burial person forename John
Burial person surname JONES
Person age 71
Burial person abode Tre'r Ddol


Baptism
County Cardiganshire
Place Llangynfelyn
Church name St Cynfelyn
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 548
Baptism date 26 Aug 1843
Person forename Isaac
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Elizabeth
Father surname JONES
Person abode Tre'r ddôl
Father occupation hatter

Baptism
County Cardiganshire
Place Llangynfelyn
Church name St Cynfelyn
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 547
Baptism date 26 Aug 1843
Person forename Abraham
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Elizabeth
Father surname JONES
Person abode Tre'r ddôl
Father occupation hatter