Find Ancestors

Need help please, I am just unable to find a maiden name and marriage for Rhoda Adelaide Barnes on 1901 census husband Edward Bsrnes. I know for certain that Laura Maria Barnes was their daughter and established her marriage to be correct.. Father Edward George Barnes occ Seaman.
Tried as many fields as I can but with no luck. Any help will be appreciated .

????

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

36, Vauban Street, Bermondsey, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Barnes Head Married Male 29 1872 Ships Stoker Deptford, Kent, England
Rhoda Barnes Wife Married Female 26 1875 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Laura Barnes Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Edward Barnes Son - Male 5 1896 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Adelaide Barnes Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England

BARNES, LAURA MARIA mms HEPPER
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in ST. OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 279

Brother Edward:

BARNES, EDWARD GEORGE mms HEPPER
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 246


Sister Adelaide:

BARNES, ADELAIDE LOUISE mms HEPPER
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 268

Yes I have found that record SAFC, also think a death for Rhoda in 1911. In 1939 it appears Edward G Barnes was remarried and they had daughter Adelaide L Barnes daughter of Rhoda and Edward living in the household

This is Laura's birth (mother's maiden name taken from the GRO site0:-

First name(s) LAURA MARIA
Last name BARNES
Birth year 1893
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name - Hepper<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
District St. Olave Bermondsey
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 279
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England

Perhaps the parents never actually married.

Kath. x

Rhoda Hepper
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Rhoda Hepper
Registration Year: 1876
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 275



Rhoda Hepper
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Rhoda Hepper
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Thomas Hepper
Mother: Emma Hepper
Gender: Female
Where born: Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 12 Queen St
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors:
Piece: 581
Folio: 116
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hepper 29
Emma Hepper 30
Georgina Hepper 6
Rhoda Hepper 5
Thomas Hepper 3
William Hepper 1
William Danney 76

She's not with her parents in 1891:

Thomas Hepper
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Thomas Hepper
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1861
Spouse: Emily Hepper
Child: Thomas Hepper
William Hepper
Emily Hepper
John Hepper
Albert Hepper
Alice Hepper
Birth Place: Rotherhithe, London, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Residence Place: Bermondsey, London, England
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, Institution or Vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 375
Folio: 77
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hepper 30
Emily Hepper 29
Thomas Hepper 13
William Hepper 11
Emily Hepper 7
John Hepper 6
Albert Hepper 4
Alice Hepper 1 Month

Thank you ArgyllGran, looking on freebmd it gives no mms..I am also on Ancestry and people who have submitted family trees for them have completely got things around their neck, think they put anything in

Never trust anything on someone's tree, John!

Always check for actual records.

No, Free BMD doesn't give mms.
You have to register on the GRO site, but it's free to use, and is invaluable. I don't know how we ever managed without it!

https://www.gro.gov.uk

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

1 Queens Head Alley Wapping E, Wapping, London & Middlesex, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward G Barnes Head Married Male 39 1872 Seaman London SE
Rhoda A Barnes Mother Mar Female 38 1873 - Rotherhiltha
Laura M Barnes Sister Single Female 18 1893 Cloth Tester Rly Rotherhiltha
Edward G Barnes Son Single Male 15 1896 Van Boy Carman Rotherhiltha
Adelaide Barnes Daughter - Female 13 1898 - -
Albert J Barnes Son - Male 8 1903 -

married 20 years 4 children born 4 living none have died

BARNES, ALBERT JAMES mms HEPPER
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in ST. OLAVE, BERMONDSEY Volume 01D Page 283

Kath. I did wonder if they got married, tried looking for a marriage for Rhoda to someone else or maybe Edward was already married. Trying to find Edward in the 1891 census found one living with mother of Betsy Barnes but he wasn't in the Merchant Navy and states single.

Many thanks for the info ArgyllGran, never realised the GRO site was free. Only used it to order Certs. I usually do follow up the records, after seeing them on trees but this family threw me.

Well this is Edward on 1939:

Edward G Barnes's life in 1939
112 Cherry Garden Street, Bermondsey, London, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Edward G Barnes 1872 11 Sep 1872 Male Ships Fireman Single 90 1
Amelia A Barnes 1881 18 Jan 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 90 2
Adelaide L Barnes 1899 06 Jan 1899 Female Incapacitated Single 90 3 ....................... her birth year was 1898 !!! (March Q)
Francis G Barnes 1925 20 Sep 1925 Male At School Single 90 4

His birth date is September 1872 so this would likely be his birth:

BARNES, EDWARD GEORGE BARKER
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 812


Likely parents' marriage:
Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
Barker Betsey Greenwich 1d 1162 Scan available - click to view
Barnes Thomas Greenwich 1d 1162 Scan available - click to view

Therefore the one you found with mother Betsy is very likely to be him:

Dea x

His father had also been a mariner:


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
133, Industrial Dwellings, St Paul Deptford, Greenwich, London & Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Barnes Head Married Male 45 1836 Fireman (Steam Ship) Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Betsey Barnes Wife Married Female 44 1837 - Ware, Hertfordshire, England
Edward Barnes Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Deptford, Kent, England

Dea x

Well, he wasn't yet 'at sea' but the rest of his family was so it is very possible he would have followed the tradition:

BARNES on image!

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Edward Street, Bermondsey, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Barnet Head Married Male 57 1834 Ships Fireman -
Betsy Barnet Wife Married Female 55 1836 - Hertfordshire, England
William Barnet Son Single Male 24 1867 Sailor London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Barnet Son Single Male 22 1869 Sailor London, Middlesex, England
Edward Barnet Son Single Male 18 1873 Cowman London, Middlesex, England

Dea x

Rhoda Hepper
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005
Name:
Rhoda Hepper
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Place:
Greenwich, London, England
Registration District:
Greenwich
County:
London
Registration Quarter:
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year:
1915
Volume:
1D
Page:
2856
Affiliate Line Number:
69
Spouse Name (available after 1911):
Caney
Possible Spouse:
John C Caney

That marriage is not her Malyon - that Rhoda was born in 1888 !!

Dea x

Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
BARNES Edward G Gwynn St Olave 1d 282 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
FISHER Henry W J Sella St.Olave 1d 282
GWYNN Amelia A Barnes St Olave 1d 282 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
SELLS Katherine Fisher St.Olave 1d 282

Deaths Jun 1911 (>99%)
Barnes Rhoda A 37 Stepney 1c 199