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Ann Bamford
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Ann Bamford
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 19
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1839
Marriage Date: 5 May 1858
Marriage Place: Bury, St Paul, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Bury
Father: George Bamford, sawyer
Spouse: Thomas Walmesley [ father: John, gas man ]
Reference Number: GB127.L173/1/2/1

Ann Bamford
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Ann Bamford
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: George Bamford
Mother's name: Mary Bamford
Gender: Female
Where born: Pilkington, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Bury
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: North Bury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1g
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 66
Piece: 2215
Folio: 183
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
George Bamford 34
Mary Bamford 35
Ann Bamford 11
Catherine Bamford 8
Conelius Bamford 5
Mary Jane Bamford 3
John Bamford 11 Mo


BAMFORD, ANN mms BRADSHAW
GRO Reference: 1840 M Quarter in BURY UNION LANCASHIRE Volume 21 Page 328

No response from Marlene?

Can’t be the lady she is looking for as def not born 1920

One has to wonder at times where people get their so called ‘info’

Possibly looking for the woman who died in Surrey?

Marlene -

which bit of the info you have given us are you absolutely sure about? How have you worked back to her?

If you know the 1943 marriage is definitely your Betsy, then she wasn't born c1920.
In that case, as Shirley has said, you need the marriage cert to see her age and who her father was.

But if you know your Betsy was definitely born c1920, then she's not the person who married in 1943. And she wasn't born in Bury.

The Surrey death is also listed as Clarke and Berry-Clarke:



Betsy Berry-clarke
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Betsy Berry-clarke
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: 30 May 1920
Registration Date: Oct 2005
Registration district: east Surrey
Inferred County: Surrey
Register Number: ESA8
District and Subdistrict: 755/1A
Entry Number: 46


Betsy Clarke
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Betsy Clarke
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: 30 May 1920
Registration Date: Oct 2005
Registration district: east Surrey
Inferred County: Surrey
Register Number: ESA8
District and Subdistrict: 755/1A
Entry Number: 46

This is the only Betsy born in Bury in the right quarter of 1920 to fit the DOB shown in that Surrey death record:

Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Shaw Betsy Holt Bury 8c 1116


BUT that's not Marlene's Betsy - she was born 15 April 1920, and died in Bury, unmarried:



Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
Holt Betsy Shaw Bury 8c 1317
Shaw James Holt Bury 8c 1317


Betsy Shaw Junr.
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Betsy Shaw Junr.
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1920
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 4. Sussex Drive
Residence Place: Bury, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Bottle Winder
Schedule Number: 35
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: NGCQ
Registration district: 462-1
Inferred Father: James Shaw
Inferred Mother: Betsy Shaw
Household Members:
Name
James Shaw
Betsy Shaw
Betsy Shaw


Betsy Shaw
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Betsy Shaw
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1920
Registration Date: May 2001
Registration district: Bury
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Register Number: B53B
District and Subdistrict: 0031B
Entry Number: 23