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Ellen Elizabeth Bell born abt 1882

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Feb 2020 16:11

I think this is Ellen in 1901, with her name wrongly given as Grey instead of Guy - enumerator's mistake:

Ellen E Grey
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Ellen E Grey
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Southwell, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Mansfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Pleasley Hill St Barnabas
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Mansfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Piece: 3141
Folio: 174
Page Number: 20
Household schedule number: 112
Household Members:
Name Age
William Revill 36
Fred Revill 10
Alfred Revill 7
Ellen E Grey 19

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Feb 2020 16:17

Looking at the 1911 census image, I wonder if James and Ellen had separated ?

She seems to have been entered as Mrs JH Clarke, and "married", but the "Mrs" and "married" have both been vigorously crossed out.


ADDED:
On second thoughts, the declaration at the bottom also has "Mrs" crossed out, and just James Henry Clarke left
If they were no longer together, I would have thought the whole name would be obliterated, and her own forenames put in.
Presumably it's Ellen who completed the form.

She also has entered herself as "wife", not "head".
On the whole, I think she's got herself in a muddle as to which bits she changed.

Julie

Julie Report 8 Feb 2020 16:21

ArgyllGran - I think you're right, it fits. One of her sister's did the same thing, acting as housekeeper to a widower miner with kids. I'm guessing neither of them would have got much more than food and board.

Julie

Julie Report 8 Feb 2020 16:26

ArgyllGran, I don't think they were separated other than by James working elsewhere in 1911, they had at least one more child after 1911 - still researching that.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Feb 2020 16:29

That would explain the muddle in 1911.
She wouldn't know if she was supposed to enter herself as head, or James, when he wasn't there on census night.


Later children probably Leonard A, in 1914, and Alan A in 1923, both in Mansfield .

Alan A is with Ellen in 1939.

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Julie

Julie Report 8 Feb 2020 16:36

Thank you everyone, I think between us all the obvious items for Ellen Elizabeth have been traced. I've found another child born 1914 on the GRO index, so some more work to do on the family. Note to self to take the blinkers off I seem to have a blind spot sometimes when it comes to possible illegitimate births!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Feb 2020 16:58

Possible marriage of Leonard:

Marriages Jun 1939 (>99%)
Clarke Leonard Cook Mansfield 7b 203
Cook Annie Clarke Mansfield 7b 203


Leonard A Clarke
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Leonard A Clarke
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 22 Aug 1914
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 5
Residence Place: Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation: Hose Machinist
Schedule Number: 57
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: RNJR
Registration district: 428-1
Inferred Spouse: Annie Clarke
Household Members:
Name
Leonard A Clarke
Annie Clarke



Leonard Allcock Clarke
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Leonard Allcock Clarke
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 22 Aug 1914
Registration Date: Feb 1995
Registration district: Mansfield
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Register Number: A15D
District and Subdistrict: 6871A
Entry Number: 66