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ErikaH Report 23 Apr 2020 17:45

I already posted the 1910 marriage - with the info you’ve omitted to mention, that he was a widower at the time.

It would be good if you took time to look at all the info posted and consider the possibilities.

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 23 Apr 2020 19:28

Thankyou for your reply

Sorry I didn’t state that Arthur Pinney was a Widower
If you notice you will see I only but the basic info ,on both the Marriages

I only put both the Fathers so you all could understand what I was on about



mgnv Report 25 Apr 2020 16:17

As today is ANZAC day, it's appropriate to mention that 1/5 Bedfords also took part in the Gallipoli campaign, landing at Suvla Bay in Aug 1915. This landing caught the Turks off-guard, and gave the Brits the chance to push inland and turn the Turkish flank. However, the commander was a senior (i.e., old) guy with no command experience, and instead of pushing inland, he spent 3 days consolidating his beach-head, giving the Turks time to occupy all the hills overlooking the beach. He was sacked within a week, but it was too late by then. By October it was clear that Turkey could hang on to the Gallipoli peninsula, and Bulgaria declared war on Serbia, leading to a Serbian collapse, and a harrowing winter retreat thru the mountains to the Dalmatian coast, and the opening of a land route for German and Austrian artillery to reinforce Turkey, and the end of the Gallipoli campaign in Jan 1916.


Re electoral roles
The 1884 Reform Act gave everyone over 21 the right to vote. Of course, it was only the right sort of everyone, so women and other riff-raff were excluded, so no renters - you had to own a home or property worth 10 GBP.
As a consequence of the age and property limitations, the majority of the British army could not vote until the 1918 Reform Act kicked in.


Army units were required to keep war diaries which detailed the day by day actions of units down to the battalion level, e.g., 1/5 Bedfords.

A lookup for WO 95/4653 at

The National Archives' catalogue
WO - Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
Division within WO - Records of the Armed Forces from commands, headquarters, regiments and corps
WO 95 - War Office: First World War and Army of Occupation War Diaries
Subsubseries within WO 95 - 54 (EAST ANGLIAN) DIVISION
This record (browse from here by hierarchy or by reference)
Reference: WO 95/4653
162 Infantry Brigade:
Headquarters (1919 Jan - Sept).
1/4 Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment (1916 Jan - 1919 Sept).
1/5 Battalion Bedfordshire Regiment (1916 Jan - 1919 June)
Date: 1916 Jan 1 - 1919 Sept 30

Ordering and viewing options
This record has not been digitised and cannot be downloaded.
You can order records in advance to be ready for you when you visit Kew. You will need a reader's ticket to do this. Or, you can request a quotation for a copy to be sent to you.
(I think they will charge 3.50 GBP - you could ask for a digitized copy to be e-mailed.
Currently they're not accepting orders (Covid).)

The Gallipoli war diaries are digitized and on-line via Ancestry.
As you don't have a sub, do a sign-up for their free newsletter.
This will give you notice if they give temporary free access for their military records, which they might well do around Remembrance Day - 11/11/20.

1/5th Battalion Bedfords
August 1914 : in Gwyn Street, Bedford. Part of East Midland Brigade, East Anglian Division. Moved in August 1914 to Romford and thence to Bury St Edmunds. In May 1915 moved to St Albans.
May 1915 : formation became 162nd Brigade, 54th (East Anglian) Division.
Landed at Mudros on 10 August 1915 and at Suvla Bay, Gallipoli, on 11 August.
Moved to Egypt in December 1915.

You can download the Gallipoli war diaries via:
and using "Browse this collection" in right column

Bedfordshires - 54th Div
Piece 4325: 162 Infantry Brigade: 1/5 Battalion Bedfordshire Regiment (1915 Aug-Dec)

Div HQ - 54th Div
Piece 4324: 54th (East Anglian) Division: General Staff (1915 Jul-Dec)
Piece 4325: 162 Infantry Brigade: Headquarters (1915 Aug-Dec)

9th Corps HQ - 9th Corps
Piece 4276: 9th Corps: General Staff (1915 Jun-Sep)
Piece 4277: 9th Corps: General Staff (1915 Oct-Nov)
Piece 4278: 9th Corps: General Staff (1915 Dec)

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 25 Apr 2020 18:24

I have been reading your reply very interesting

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 25 Apr 2020 21:53

Thankyou for your information on ANZAC day
Once our local Library reopens I will go and look on Ancestry Co U.K. and see what
information I can find on Wilfred Pinney born 1894 Luton Bedfordshire WW1
Thankyou agian


ArgyllGran Report 25 Apr 2020 21:57

The only things you will find are what we have posted on this thread.

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 25 Apr 2020 22:24

Ok and Thankyou
It was just a thought


mgnv Report 26 Apr 2020 06:16

AG - re Ancestry at the library/
It may be true what you say, but it's always nice to have a copy of the images if possible.

It depends on what the library computer will let you do, but my library will let me download files into My Documents, and I can use the start button click on it, then on the accessories folder, then open windows explorer (this is the file explorer, not the web browser). Open it and then go to My Documents in it, and I can highlight a block of say 10 downloaded images then right click on the block and send them to a compressed zip file - repeat as needed, then email the zipped files to yourself. When you get home, download the attached zip files to My Documents, say,, and open windows explorer as above, but this time right click on a zip folder and Extract All, then move onto the next zip folder,. It sounds complicated, and it is the first couple of times you do it, but it's a lot easier than downloading a couple of dozen individual image files.

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 26 Apr 2020 07:54

Thankyou for your reply
It’s sounds rather complicated to me , as I’m only a novice !!! But I do try .
But they are very helpfull at our Library
Anyway I just thought it would be nice to have the information you Kindly have found me
But I have printed it off Thankyou

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 26 Apr 2020 11:17

I may have found out where Wilfred Pinney 1894 Luton Beds On 1911 Census !

This is what I have found on the Internet ?

Luton Times 26th November 1915
The Pinney Brothers of Luton

Wednesday .24 th November 1915
All three Brothers of the Pinney Family of Luton
Have now been wounded in the present Conflict and one has spent over a year as a prisoner of war
Private’s Arthur Pinney of Windsor Street joined the 1st Bedfords eight years ago as a reservist he re turned to his regiment on the outbreak of war And went through some of the heaviest fighting during the first few weeks Before being being wounded in the chest and taken prisoner
Before the war he worked for the British Gelatine Compay

His brothers Percy and Wilfred were both sent out to the Dardanelles with the 1st/5th Bedfords
Percy was wounded at Suvla Bay in the first day of fighting : he has now recovered and sent back to Gallipoli for another go at the Turks
Wilfred was wounded at the same time as his brother : he is still recovering in Hospital at Tooting
Private Bert Payne ,the husband of the Pinney sister Emily Rose ( Pinney)
Has suffered the same fate as as his brother in law Arthur
Another reservist of the1st Bedford He was employed at th Gelatine Works ,he was taken prisoner during the early days of the war

So just wonder if Winifred Pinney Born1894 Luton Beds
Was a reservist too !!! Maybe that’s where he was on 1911 Census
I have copied the artical as written in The Luton Times
From Olive



ArgyllGran Report 26 Apr 2020 14:15

It sounds very possible, Olive.

But as so many WW1 army records no longer exist (including Wilfred's, it seems) , there will be no way to confirm it, unfortunately.

It seems that the 1/5th Bedfordshire started out as a Territorial force:


ArgyllGran Report 26 Apr 2020 14:32

From "The Luton Reporter" newspaper, Friday March 30th, 1906 :-

School Attendance Cases.
Arthur Pinney, of Ivy Road, was ordered to send his son, Wilfred, to school regularly, and to pay 2. 6d towards the costs.

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 26 Apr 2020 15:28

You never no what you will find when you look into things
Talk agian


mgnv Report 29 Apr 2020 00:01

The 1911 Census of England and Wales was taken on the night of Sunday, 2 April 1911.
My grandad was in the Territorials, and he had to go to a 2-week training camp each year, usually in August.
He came from Newcastle, a ship-building town.
Most of Lancs had Wakes weeks, which rotated thru the manufacturing towns, but in June-Sept.
My mum told me she got 2-weeks off from school each year in the early 1920s to pick spuds on the town moor.
London's east end got a couple of weeks to go and pick hops in Kent.
However, I don't see anything happening for Beds in early April, and if it did, they'ld be enumerated in their camp

I did an advanced search at:
for Missing OR Damaged in archive category rg14 (the 1911 census) and got no hits


mgnv Report 29 Apr 2020 00:21
County Bedfordshire
Place (Links to more information) Barton in the Clay
Church name (Links to more information) St Nicholas
Register type (Links to more information) Transcript
Marriage date 27 May 1806
Groom forename Jas
Groom surname PINNER
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Lucy
Bride surname OLNEY
Bride condition spinster

Wm PINNER Bp 01/02/1807
Thos PINNER Bp 17/04/1808
Mary PINNER Bp 22/10/1809
Lydia PINNER Bp 24/03/1811
Sim to:
County Bedfordshire
Place (Links to more information) Barton in the Clay
Church name (Links to more information) St Nicholas
Register type (Links to more information) Other Transcript
Baptism date 17 Apr 1808
Person forename Thos
Person sex M
Father forename Jas
Mother forename Lucy
Father surname PINNER

Event Place (Original): Luton, Bedfordshire, England
County: Bedfordshire
Parish: Luton
Registration District: Luton
Residence Note: Biscott
Registration Number: HO107
Piece/Book/Folio: 4/16/4 Page Number: 2
Thomas Pinner Male 30 Bedfordshire
Sarah Pinner Female 25 Bedfordshire
William Pinner Male 10 Bedfordshire
Susan Pinner Female 8 Bedfordshire
Thomas Pinner Male 3 Bedfordshire
James Pinner Male 1 Bedfordshire

Event Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Registration District: Luton
Registration Number: HO107
Piece/Folio: 1757 / 768 Page Number: 12
Thomas Pinney Head Male 43 Barton, Bedfordshire Agricultural Labourer
Sariah Pinney Wife Female 40 Offley, Hertfordshire Platter
William Pinney Son Male 19 Luton, Bedfordshire Agr Labourer
Susan Pinney Daughter Female 18 Luton, Bedfordshire Agr Labourer
Thomas Pinney Son Male 13 Luton, Bedfordshire
James Pinney Son Male 11 Luton, Bedfordshire
Elisha Pinney Son Male 8 Luton, Bedfordshire
Samuel Pinney Son Male 5 Luton, Bedfordshire
Ann Pinney Daughter Female 2 Luton, Bedfordshire

GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in LUTON Volume 06 Page 97

GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 06 Page 97
[Onewonders if this Saml was renamed as Elisha]

GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 272

GRO Reference: 1845 J Quarter in LUTON Volume 06 Page 102

GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in LUTON Volume 06 Page 100

GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 388

GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 309

GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 293


mgnv Report 29 Apr 2020 00:22

1861 Census
Piece: RG9/1012 Place: Luton -Bedfordshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Luton Ecclesiastical Parish: Luton
Folio: 71 Page: 9 Schedule: 44
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
RANDALL Isac Head M M 28 Ag Lab Bedfordshire - Luton
RANDALL Susan Wife M F 28 - Bedfordshire - Luton
RANDALL Sarah Dau - F 5 - Bedfordshire - Luton
RANDALL Jesse Son - M 4 - Bedfordshire - Luton
PINNER Thomas Brolaw U M 24 - Bedfordshire - Luton
PINNER James Brolaw U M 21 - Bedfordshire - Luton
PINNER Martha Sislaw U F 8 - Bedfordshire - Luton

Marriages Mar 1855 (>99%)
PINNEY Susan Luton 3b 517
RANDALL Isaac Luton 3b 517

GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 379

GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 437

GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 415

1861 Census
Piece: RG9/1014 Place: Luton -Bedfordshire Enumeration District: 17
Civil Parish: Luton Ecclesiastical Parish: Christchurch
Folio: 15 Page: 23 Schedule: 115
Address: 3 Dallow Lane
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
PINNER William Head M M 29 Ag Lab Bedfordshire - Limbury
PINNER Elizabeth Wife M F 28 Bonnet Sewer Bedfordshire - Luton
PINNER Arthur Son - M 5 Bedfordshire - Luton
PINNER Frederick Son - M 2 Bedfordshire - Luton
PINNER Walter Son - M 4m Bedfordshire - Luton
PINNER Samuel Brothr U M 15 Ag Lab Bedfordshire - Limbury

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
Pinner William Luton 3b 1016
WINGRAVE Eliza Luton 3b 1016

GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 431

GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 433

GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 413

GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 421

GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 438

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 29 Apr 2020 13:08

Hi everyone
Thankyou for your information On

William Pinner born 1832 — 1901 Eliza Wingrave 1833-1866

Just before the Coronavirus Look Down I went into our local Library and this is what I found

Ancestry CoUk
For Arthur Pinney birth 1861Luton Bedfordshire England
Death1901 Luton Bedfordshire England

Father Mother
William Pinney born 1832–1901 Eliza Wingrave 1833—1866

Arthur Pinney born 1861 married Eliza Annetts
13 th May 1882 Christ Church Luton Beds

Maud Esther Pinney 1884-1961
Arthur Pinney 1885-1964
Emily Rose Pinney 1886-1954
Percy Thomas Pinney 1889-1954
Daisy Kate Pinney 1891-1891
Wilfred Pinney 1894-1968

I have found the Marriage for Arthur Pinney and Eliza Annetts 13th 1882 Christ Curch Luton Beds
It states that Arthur Pinney Father is William Pinner (and his name is Arthur Pinner ) this was on Family Search .org

Eliza Annetts father is William Annetts

On the 1891 Census Arthur’s Family is Pinney

But today I had a nice reply from you all but the Name was Pinner

On BBC1 this morning they said Ancestry Co.Uk will be free this weekend
So here’s hoping I will be able to access it
Thankyou all very much
Will be in touch hopefully

So have

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 29 Apr 2020 13:23

I meant to say ==
Arthur Pinney Born1861 (Widower )married Emma Smith Born1882 at Christ Church Luton Beds 1910

Arthur Pinney Father =Thomas Pinney

Emma Smith Father = Thomas Smith

Havnt a clue???

From Olive

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 5 May 2020 15:23

Hi Everyone
Just to say I have been search the Luton Times and Advertiser
Years 1906 and 1915

Arthur Pinney 22nd March 1915 aged 54 years
Ivy Road Luton Beds

Pte Arthur Pinney whose home is at 55 Windsor Street Luton Bedfordshire
Joined the 1st Bedfordshire Eight Years ago
1907 he severed in India and as a reservist
when war broke out he went through some of the heaviest of the fighting

25 th November 1915 The Luton Time and Advertiser

I have tried to print the articles off and keep them in my saved box
But nothing it cost me 15 Credits

Don’t know what’s happened here?..
There is also another article
26 Th November 1915
With picture of the 3 brothers
But havnt tried that one yet

I know you all have found me most of these article but these have a couple of extra in them

Find £4.6d cost Arthur Pinney or Ivy Road
It is stated that the child had attended Nine Weeks

The defenden said he did not live with his Wife , Had Eliza Pinney ( Annetts ) died by then ???

Don’t know what’s happened with my print out to you all
Bye for now


ArgyllGran Report 5 May 2020 15:47

"The defenden said he did not live with his Wife , Had Eliza Pinney ( Annetts ) died by then ???"

What date was that report, Olive?

Without knowing the date, I would say No.
If she had died it would say so.

Oh yes, I've searched, and I see it was 1906.

ErikaH and Maddie have both posted Eliza's death in 1909 - see page 4 of this thread.