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Hi,

I was wondering if you could give me some help l have a mystery going on

John Leese 1873-1957 married Sarah Evans 1873-1949 in stoke on Trent

they had l think about 22 kids know we were always lead to believe that most of them die in infancy/childhood now l am not too sure, Great granddad had many affairs and now l am wondering if all these kids are is and grant Sarah kids or are some from his affairs.

Florrie and May 1892-1892 twins
Harry 1893 ??????
Emma --- she lived l know her
Alice Elizebeth 1896 ????????
Lillian -- she is a mystery l know she lived but nobody knows anything about here when Auntie was dieing she was shouting for Lillian
Beatrice 1898 ??????
Alice 1900?????
George 1901????
Alice, she lived l know about here she had a twin Rose 1903 think she died
Cicely she my grandmother
John 1907 ?????
Frederick, he lived l know about him he had a twin Herbert William 1908
Harold 1909 ???????
Norman and Reginald twins 1910 ???????
Alan 1913 he lived l know about him
William 1914 ???????
Walter and James twins 1917 ??????
Winifred 1920 ???????
Majorie ???????????

the people with ???? l would like some help on, this information l got from Staffordshire BMD

Great grand lease l think is illegitimate

thank you

Amanda

LEESE, CICELY EVANS
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 303

LEESE, FREDERICK EVANS
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 315
LEESE, HAROLD EVANS
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 275
LEESE, NORMAN EVANS
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 287
LEESE, REGINALD EVANS
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 287

LEESE, FLORRIE EVANS
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 289
LEESE, MAY EVANS
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 298

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Here's where to look - and it's FREE

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Bookmark it for future use

1911 census says they have been married 18 years - have had 15 children of whom 8 have died.

If the man fathered illegitimate children they would almost certainly have been registered under the mothers' names, and you'll never find them

Easy to find the legitimate births - then look on freebmd for deaths of any which do not appear on the 1911 census - which I post below

11 Bright St Longton Stoke on Trent, Longton, Staffordshire, England
John Leese Head Married Male 38 1873 Potter Handler Longton Staffordshire
Sarah Elizabeth Leese Wife Married Female 38 1873 Throwers Take Off Longton Staffs
Emma Leese Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Potters Lathe Turner Longton Staffs
Lillian Leese Daughter - Female 13 1898 - Longton Staffs
George Leese Son - Male 10 1901 School Longton Staffs
Alice Leese Daughter - Female 8 1903 School Longton Staffs
Cicely Leese Daughter - Female 6 1905 School Longton Staffs
John Leese Son - Male 4 1907 School Longton Staffs
Frederick Leese Son - Male 3 1908 - Longton Staffs

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LEESE John EVANS Sarah E 1892 Longton, St John the Baptist Stoke-On-Trent 19/03/098


Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1915
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LEESE James E EVANS Edith H 1915 Cobridge, Christ Church Stoke-On-Trent 6/8/122.

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1919
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

LEESE Leonard EVANS Mary 1919 Civil Marriage (Wolstanton) Stoke-On-Trent WRO/65/086
Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1923

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LEESE Edward H EVANS Harriet 1923 Bucknall, St Mary Stoke-On-Trent 2/07/033.

the is more leese and evans marriages

you would need the birth certs for them to be sure they are yours

LEESE, LILIAN mms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 283

Births Sep 1923 (>99%)
Leese Marjorie Evans Stoke T. 6b 153

Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Leese Winifred Evans Stoke T. 6b 405

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
Leese William Evans Stoke T. 6b 516

LEESE, BEATRICE mms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 288

LEESE, ALICE mms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 297

LEESE, GEORGE mms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 270

LEESE, HARRY mms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 295

This marriage would probably account for the birth of Alice Elizabeth Jun Qtr 1896 and Herbert William born Jun qtr 1908 in the Newport RD

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
Evans Fanny Elizabeth Newport.Sh 6a 1618
Leese Herbert Newport, Sh. 6a 1618

This still leaves a possible 16 born pre the 1911 census. Either there was a miscount ie 16 born 9 died or another of the Leese/Evans births wasn't your couple.

Walter and James who you have born 1917 ? twins - would appear to be just the one child called Walter James born Mar Qtr 1917

This is probably Sarah Elizabeth Evans birth

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
EVANS, SARAH ELIZABETH JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 249

which would make her 40/41 when Alan was born, 42 for William so feasible, but 47/8 for Winifred and 50/51 for Marjorie which is a little more unlikely perhaps??

Probable deaths pre 1911 - 9

Name: Age at Death (in years):

LEESE, FLORRIE 0
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 161

LEESE, MAY 0
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 148

LEESE, HARRY 2
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 199

LEESE, BEATRICE 0
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 160

LEESE, ALICE 0
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 199

LEESE, ROSE 0
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 180

LEESE, NORMAN 0
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 133

LEESE, REGINALD 0
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 132

LEESE, HAROLD 1
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 168


and post 1911

LEESE, WILLIAM 1
GRO Reference: 1915 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 333

LEESE, WINIFRED 1
GRO Reference: 1922 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 258

Several possible marriages for a Marjorie Leese in Stoke (and other places) - 1941 onwards. She would have been too young to show on the 1939 register - either she's still alive or her death has not been picked up

John and Sarah in 1939 - no children at home with them.

Original shows name spelt Leese - will report

58 Lockett's Lane, Stoke-On-Trent C.B., Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
John Lees 11 Sep 1872 Male Potters Handler Married 173 1
Sarah E Lees 02 Jun 1872 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 173 2
Ref: RG101/5313B/014/19 Letter Code: ONOE



So this looks to be John's birth registration - no Mother's maiden name, so unmarried Mother
(Unless his birth wasn't registered - no penalties until mid 1870's)

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
LEESE, JOHN -
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 265

If you go back to Staffsbmd - look for the subdistrict of Longton for births. Unless they moved I think you'll find William 1914 is the last possible birth

You'll find the deaths I posted there too, although there are other Longton area deaths

Staffordshire Burial indexes shows all but Rose buried in Longton Cemetery

http://www.bmsgh.org/burialsearch/cgi/burialind.cgi

Only Norman and Reginald appear to be buried in the same grave

Alice is buried with a SArah Evans aged 45 (from GRO) + 1 other - possibly a relation?

A tree on Ancestry (never trust them unless well documented) has the children listed - no mention of Rose / Harold or Norman pre 1911 and only Alan listed post 1911

They have Alice 1896 - presume your Alice Elizabeth who is probably discounted.

The tree shows Lilian married to a William Hulstone (b1899) and death 1982 Stoke. No proof offered.

There is this marriage -
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
Barrett Levi Wiseman Stoke T. 6b 378
Hulstone William H Leese Stoke T. 6b 378 <<<<<
Leese Lilian Hulstone Stoke T. 6b 378 <<<<<
Wiseman Mary A Barrett Stoke T. 6b 378

THis is the family in 1939 - Lilians DOB would be in line with a Q3 registration in 1897

Lilian Hulstone's life in 1939
23 Lime Street, Stoke-On-Trent C.B., Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
William H Hulstone 06 Aug 1899 Male Railway Engine Driver (L M S) Married 269 1
Lilian Hulstone 09 Aug 1899 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 269 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
Dennis G Hulstone 16 Oct 1929 Male At School Single 269 4
Dorothy E Hollins (Hulstone) 06 Jun 1933 Female At School Single 269 5
Ref: RG101/5301J/022/27 Letter Code: ONKM
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There was a child born 1919 (the closed record, so either living long or death has not been picked up prior to 2007) and also one in 1941 - find births on
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/

and then possible marriages etc

This Lilian's death matches DOB from the 1939 register

Surname First name(s) DoB District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1982 (>99%)
HULSTONE LILIAN 9AU1899 STOKE/T 30 1549

William H Hulstone died Stoke/T aged 66 Q2 1966

Hi

thank you for all the information.

I have done a search on Lillian and William on Staffordshire BMD for kids l found

Henry Wallace 1919
Ronald Albert 1926
Dennis George 1929
Dorothy Emily 1933
Margaret Ann 1941

any information on these

From https://www.freebmd.org.uk

Marriages Sep 1941 (>99%)
Hulstone Wallace H Lester W. Bromwich 6b 2093
Lester Sarah W Hulstone W. Bromwich 6b 2093


DEATH

WALLACE HENRY
Last name HULSTONE
Gender Male
Birth day 2
Birth month 6
Birth year 1919
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1988
District Stoke on Trent
Register number 988
County Staffordshire
Volume 30
Page 1586

Marriage for Ronald Albert in 1955 which you can easily find. Not finding a death for him so won't post it.