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Hi
Please could i ask for a bit of help with this one ...It's these Barbers again :-S
I have Samuel smith who marries Mary barber in 1848 in manchester.Mary die's in 1868 in chorlton manchester age 40..Then Samuel is down as deceased on his daughters marriage in 1877 in salford???...But where is he on the 1871 census please.
Any help most welcome
Sorry i am a pest with my Barbers :-\

is this samuel

Record Transcription:
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

1, Homer Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Smith Head Married Male 34 1827 Paper Reeler Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Smith Wife Married Female 33 1828 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ann Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1850 ... Manchester, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth A Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1855 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Esther Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary L Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1858 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Emily Smith Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Yes thank you that is him

That census is 1861, which you've had before

What was Esther's address when she married in 1877?

Have you looked for Samuel's death?

When Mary died, who was the informant?

For accuracy

SMITH, MARY ELLEN BARBER
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 200

SMITH, ELIZABETH AMELIA BARBER
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 193

Just wondering if this was a further child of the marriage?

SMITH, LAVINIA BARBER
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 189

SMITH, LAVINIA 0
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 162

Esther's marriage - in Bradford, not Salford.

Her address was 118 Ashton New Road, Beswick.

Esther Smith
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Esther Smith
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 21
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1856
Marriage Date: 12 Aug 1877
Marriage Place: Bradford, Christ Church, Lancashire, England
Father: Samuel Smith
Spouse: Edward Harrison
Reference Number: GB127.M190/1/2/2

I can't see any of the family in 1871 - let alone Samuel.

At least not together. They have such common names that there are lots of possibilities for them all individually.

"Then Samuel is down as deceased on his daughters marriage in 1877 in salford???...But where is he on the 1871 census please."

No reason to assume he's on the 1871 census.

As Mary died in Chorlton reg district, there's this possibility for Samuel's death, if the informant didn't get his age quite right:

SMITH, SAMUEL 40
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 375


Does Mary's death cert say if she was a widow or not?

1871 for two of them

City Road, Hulme, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

John Bowman Head - Male 45 1826 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Bowman Wife - Female 41 1830 - Lancashire, England
Mary Bowman Daughter - Female 19 1852 - Lancashire, England
Sarah A Bowman Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Lancashire, England
Amelia Bowman Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Lancashire, England
John Bowman Son - Male 14 1857 - Lancashire, England
Charles Bowman Son - Male 13 1858 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Bowman Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Lancashire, England
Amy Bowman Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Lancashire, England
Jessie Bowman Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Lancashire, England
Louisa Bowman Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
Eda Bowman Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England
Ann Smith Niece - Female 22 1849 - Lancashire, England
Esther Smith Niece - Female 15 1856 - Lancashire, England

Confirmation

Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
BOWMAN Eda BARBER 1870 Hulme Archives+, Manchester Central Library HUL/154/47

Elizabeth didn't marry until 1893...........wonder where she was in 1871?

Name: Elizabeth Amelia Smith
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1855
Marriage Age: 38
Marriage Date: 21 Jan 1893
Marriage Place: Stockport, Manchester, England
Church: Tiviot Dale Wesleyan Chapel
Father Name: Samuel Smith
Spouse Name: Thomas Broady
Spouse Marriage Age: 33
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Broady

Hi thank you for the all the much needed help
I have looked for Samuels death hence just the one came up for salford in 1877.I don't have Mary's death as of yet.I am in the process of ordering it...The stockpot lot are not mine Erikak..But thanks..The rest of samuel and mary's children went to live with Aunts and uncles..Gran that looks a great possible .i will see what Mary's death says ..Many thanks to all
Cheers x

Why do you discount the 1893 marriage?

Hi Erkah
I discounted the stockport lot due to the fact that they are not mine..My lot all stick in the Chorlton/Hulme area

But Samuel's daughter (mms Barber) is the only Elizabeth Amelia Smith born anywhere in Lancashire 1850-60.

The 1893 marriage must be hers.

Elizabeth Broady
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Broady
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ardwick <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Flixton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Woods End Roade
Marital status: Married
Registration District: Barton upon Irwell
Registration District Number: 463
Sub-registration District: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 23624
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Broady 52
Elizabeth Broady 56


Married 18 years.

Having a closed mind is a huge drawback for anyone researching FH

Additional info from the 1893 marriage cert

Bride's address: 42, New Zealand Road, Stockport
Deceased father's occupation : Foreman Letterpress printing

The Birth info that i have:is as follows:Elizabeth Ann smith. With mothers maiden name Barber 1854, london road..Which i assume to be correct

Ile ignore the rude comment...Which was so uncalled for