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Michael

Michael Report 14 Oct 2023 02:57

I am seeking confirmation that I have the correct paternal Grandparents.
Confirmed great, great Grandfather Henry Arthur b:1829 - 1897
Married Mary Arthur b: 1832
Married Amelia Arthur b: 1830 - 1885

Great, gt, Grandfather John Arthur b: 1801- 1861
Married Sarah Arthur b: 1798 - 1868

Great gt, gt, Grandfather Philip Arthur b:1775 - 1843
Married Jane Arthur b:

Great, gt, gt,gt, Grandfather John 1 William Arthur:

Michael

Michael Report 14 Oct 2023 03:05

I need this confirmation in order to trace the link between my UK ancestors and a confirmed Y-700 DNA exact match (my R- BY61417) with a USA ancestor a Doug Arters

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Oct 2023 07:43

How do you expect others to confirm it please?

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 14 Oct 2023 09:10

Not sure how you can have the correct older generation when you aren’t sure about the younger.

Buy certificates where you can from the GRO. You can also now check mothers maiden names from the GRO without making purchases.

Search for wills.

N.B. No where have you said where any of the names mentioned came from.

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Oct 2023 09:55

I doubt very much that the women all had the surname Arthur BEFORE they married

The way to prove YOUR ancestry is to work back, systematically, from yourself…..verifying each step as you progress.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Oct 2023 10:32

Deaths Jun 1885 (>99%)
Arthur Amelia 54 Hambledon 2a 87

Name Amelia Arthur
Age 54
Birth Date abt 1831
Death Date abt 1885
Burial Date 9 Apr 1885
Burial Place St Mary the Virgin, Shalford, Surrey, England


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dovedale, Blockley, Shipston on Stour, Worcestershire & Gloucestershire, England

Amelia Arthur Head Married Female 30 1831 - Blockley, Worcestershire, England
William Arthur Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Blockley, Worcestershire, England
Charles Arthur Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Blockley, Worcestershire, England
Sarah Ann Arthur Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Blockley, Worcestershire, England

ARTHUR, SARAH ANN HITCHMAN
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in SHIPSTON ON STOUR Volume 06D Page 524


Name Henry Arthur
Gender Male
Marriage Age Full Age
Event Type Marriage
Marriage Date 13 Sep 1851
Marriage Place Blockley, Gloucestershire, England
Father ------------ Arthur........Occ: Mason
Spouse Amelia Hitchman
Father John Hitchman........Occ: Mason



We are all just paying members..........PLEASE remember that

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Oct 2023 10:42

You have the wrong birth year for HENRY.................how much research have you done?

Name Henry Arthur
Event Type Baptism
Baptism Date 11 May 1828
Baptism Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Father John Arthur................Occ: Mason
Mother Sarah Arthur

Name John Arthur
Gender Male
Event Type BANNS
Date 27 Nov 1825
Marriage Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears Southern Oxfordshire
Spouse Sarah Keen


Name John Arthur
Gender Male
Marriage Date 8 Dec 1825
Marriage Place Chipping Campden,Gloucester,England
Spouse Sarah Keen
FHL Film Number 0504453, 0504454

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Oct 2023 10:50

Name John Arthur
Event Type Baptism
Baptism Date 3 Apr 1801
Baptism Place Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears Snowshill
Father John Arthur********************************************************
Mother Elizth Arthur

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Bourton on the Hill, Shipston on Stour, Gloucestershire, England
John Arthur Head Married Male 50 1801 Stone mason Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Arthur Wife Married Female 56 1795 - Chipping Campden, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Arthur Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Stone mason -
Mary Arthur Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1832 - -
Charles Keen Nephew Unmarried Male 26 1825 Stone mason Chipping Campden, Gloucestershire, England

Re-think required ;-) ;-) ;-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Oct 2023 13:06

Henry - for our info:


Henry Arthur
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name Henry Arthur
Age 68
Estimated Birth Year abt 1829
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place Hambledon, Surrey, United Kingdom
Death Date Jun 1897
Inferred Death Place Surrey, United Kingdom
Volume 2a
Page 82


Henry Arthur
in the Surrey, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1997
Name Henry Arthur
Age 68
Birth Date abt 1829
Death Date abt 1897
Burial Date 26 May 1897
Burial Place St Mary the Virgin, Shalford, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears Shalford


Henry Arthur
in the 1891 England Census
Name Henry Arthur
Gender Male
Age 62
Relationship Head
Birth Year 1829
Spouse
Charlotte Arthur
Child
Albert Arthur
David Arthur
Birth Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Shalford
Ecclesiastical parish Shalford
Residence Place Shalford, Surrey, England
Registration district Hambledon
Sub registration district Cranley
ED, Institution or Vessel 13
Neighbors
Piece 573
Folio 59
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Henry Arthur 62 Head
Charlotte Arthur 70 Wife
Albert Arthur 23 Son
David Arthur 22 Son


Henry Arthur
in the Surrey, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
Name Henry Arthur
Gender Male
Marriage Age 59
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1828
Marriage Date 30 Jul 1887
Marriage Place St Mary the Virgin, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears Shalford
Father John Arthur
Spouse Charlotte Maybank <<<<<<<<<



Henry Arthur
in the 1881 England Census
Name Henry Arthur
Age 52
Estimated Birth Year abt 1829
Relationship to Head Head
Spouse Amelia Arthur
Gender Male
Where born Bourton On The Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Shalford
County/Island Surrey
Country England
Street Address Shalford Common 5 Mitchell Row
Marital Status Married
Occupation Stone Mason
Registration district Hambledon
ED, institution, or vessel 14
Neighbors
Piece 793
Folio 64
Page number 23
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Henry Arthur 52 Head
Amelia Arthur 50 Wife
John Arthur 16 Son
Henry Arthur 14 Son
Albert Arthur 12 Son
David Arthur 10 Son
Mary A. Arthur 6 Daughter


Henry Arthur
in the 1871 England Census
Name Henry Arthur
Age 42
Estimated Birth Year 1829
Relation Head
Gender Male
Where born Burton, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Shalford
Town Shalford
County/Island Surrey
Country England
Registration district Hambledon
Sub-registration district Cranley
ED, institution, or vessel 14
Household schedule number 114
Piece 826
Folio 73
Page number 22
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Henry Arthur 42 Head
Amelia Arthur 40 Wife
William Arthur 18 Son
Charles Arthur 16 Son
Emily Arthur 8 Daughter
John Arthur 6 Son
Harry Arthur 4 Son
Albert Arthur 3 Son
David Arthur 11/12 Son


???
Henry Arthurs
in the 1861 England Census
Name Henry Arthurs
Gender Male
Age 32
Relation Lodger
Estimated Birth Year 1829
Where born Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Aston
Ecclesiastical parish Erdington
County/Island Warwickshire
Country England
Registration district Aston
Sub-registration district Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel 22
Neighbors
Household schedule number 109
Piece 2185
Folio 106
Page number 20
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Luckocks 44 Head
Caroline Luckocks 43 Wife
Fanny Luckocks 11 Daughter
Edward Shaw 19 Apprentice
Henry Arthurs 32 Lodger - unmarried [??? ], stone mason <<<<<<<<<
Frances Green 23 Lodger

(1861 for Amelia and children already posted.)


Henry Arthur
in the 1851 England Census
Name Henry Arthur
Age 22
Estimated Birth Year abt 1829
Relation Son
Father's Name John Arthur
Mother's Name Sarah Arthur
Gender Male
Where born Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Bourton on the Hill
County/Island Gloucestershire
Country England
Registration district Shipston On Stour
Sub-registration district Campden
ED, institution, or vessel 2
Neighbors
Household schedule number 104
Piece 2076
Folio 284
Page number 26
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Arthur 50 Head - stone mason
Sarah Arthur 53 Wife
Henry Arthur 22 Son
Mary Arthur 19 Daughter
Charles Keen 26 Nephew


You say Henry married a Mary, born 1832.
Are you perhaps thinking of his sister Mary Arthur 1832 ??

I don't see a wife before Amelia.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Oct 2023 13:09

Name Henry Arthur
Gender Male
Marriage Age 59
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1828
Marriage Date 30 Jul 1887
Marriage Place St Mary the Virgin, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears Shalford
Father John Arthur
Spouse Charlotte Maybank, widow, nee Tucker

Name Henry Arthur
Gender Male
Age 62
Relationship Head
Birth Year 1829
Birth Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Shalford
Ecclesiastical parish Shalford
Residence Place Shalford, Surrey, England
Registration district Hambledon
Sub registration district Cranley
ED, Institution or Vessel 13
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 573
Folio 59
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Henry Arthur 62 Head
Charlotte Arthur 70 Wife
Albert Arthur 23 Son
David Arthur 22 Son

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Oct 2023 13:14

Charlotte Arthur
in the 1911 England Census

Name Charlotte Arthur
Age in 1911 87
Estimated Birth Year abt 1824
Relation to Head Inmate
Gender Female
Birth Place GUILDFORD, Surrey, England
Civil parish Lambeth
County/Island London
Country England
Street Address Lambeth Workhouse, Renfrew Road
Marital Status Widowed



Name Charlotte Arthur
Age 92
Estimated Birth Year abt 1821
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place Lambeth, London, United Kingdom
Death Date Mar 1913
Inferred Death Place London, United Kingdom
Volume 1d
Page 335


1901

Name Charlotte Arthurs
Age 81
Estimated Birth Year abt 1820
Relation to Head Lodger
Gender Female
Birth Place Guildford, Surrey, England
Civil parish Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish Holy Trinity
Town Guildford
County/Island Surrey
Country England
Registration district Guildford
Sub-registration district Guildford

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Oct 2023 13:16

Name Charlotte Tucker
Gender Female
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 20 Dec 1842
Marriage Place Godalming, Surrey, England
Father George Tucker
Spouse George Barnes
Register Type Bishop's Transcript

Name Charlotte Barnes
[Charlotte Tucker]
Gender Female
Marriage Age 33
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1820
Marriage Date 27 Nov 1853
Marriage Place St Mary's Church, Surrey, England
Father George Tucker
Spouse William Maybank

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Oct 2023 13:19

We would need some information about Doug Arters before we could possibly try to find any connection.

His age, POB, parents' names, etc, etc.

Which of his family first emigrated from Britain to USA? And when?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Oct 2023 13:21

Cannot see John Arthur's marriage to Elizabeth pre-1801 (parents of John who married Sarah Keen)

PHILIP is NOT in this line

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Oct 2023 13:26

Henry was a bachelor on marriage to Amelia - so , as already said, there was no wife before her, and I think you're somehow thinking that his sister Mary was his wife.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Oct 2023 15:35

John's (1801) siblings

Name Thomas Arthur
Event Type Baptism
Baptism Date 7 May 1797
Baptism Place Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears Snowshill
Father John Arthur
Mother Elizabeth Arthur

Name Elizabeth Arthur
Event Type Baptism
Baptism Date 22 Dec 1799
Baptism Place Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears Snowshill
Father John Arthur
Mother Eliz. Arthur

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Oct 2023 15:44

Another child of John & Sarah

Name Charles Arthur
Event Type Baptism
Baptism Date 13 Sep 1826
Baptism Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Father John Arthur
Mother Sarah Arthur

Name Charles Arthur
Age 0
Birth Date abt 1826
Burial Date 24 Oct 1826
Burial Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Oct 2023 15:46

Henry's SISTER

Name Mary Arthur
Event Type Baptism
Baptism Date 1 May 1831
Baptism Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Father John Arthur
Mother Sarah Arthur

1891 census
Name Mary Arthur
Gender Female
Age 60
Relationship Servant
Birth Year 1831
Birth Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Stoke
Ecclesiastical parish Evan St John
Residence Place Stoke, Surrey, England
Registration district Guildford
Sub registration district Guildford
ED, Institution or Vessel 7
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 559
Folio 172

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Oct 2023 15:46

Re John, who married Sarah Keen - [EDIT: Snap, ErikaH !]

Baptisms of John's siblings:

Elizabeth Arthur
Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Elizabeth Arthur
Sex Female
Father's Name John Arthur
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Eliz
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening
Event Date 22 Dec 1799
Event Place Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England
Event Place (Original) Snowshill, Gloucester, England


Thomas Arthur
Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Thomas Arthur
Sex Male
Father's Name John Arthur
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Elizabeth
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening
Event Date 7 May 1797
Event Place Snowshill, Gloucestershire, England
Event Place (Original) Snowshill, Gloucester, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Oct 2023 15:49

On 14 Oct at 10:50, ErikaH posted 1851 census for John, Sarah, and children.

Here they are in 1841:

John Arthur
in the 1841 England Census
Name John Arthur
Age 40
Estimated Birth Year abt 1801
Gender Male
Where born Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Bourton On The Hill
Hundred Tewkesbury (Upper Division)
County/Island Gloucestershire
Country England
Registration district Shipston on Stour
Sub-registration district Moreton
Neighbors
Piece 367
Book 12
Folio 7
Page number 16
Household Members (Name) Age
John Arthur 40
Sarah Arthur 40
Henry Arthur 13
Mary Arthur 10