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Mine is my gg grandfather. Master Mariner C1856, Have him in 1861,1871,1901. Marriage in 1882.. 3 years after the birth of his first three children. Found in 1901... gone away again in 1911. Presumed at sea in missing areas. Can not find the birth of any of his children.

I WILL find the beggar.... even if it kills me!!

xx

Were the children born in this country? Only, I have a mariner - I took years to find him - and his first child was born in Ireland. I assume this is also why I can't find his first marriage.

According to all the info I have the children were born in Bishopstone,Salisbury. He was born in Southampton from a seafaring family. He married in Cardiff in 1882. Was in Litherland,Liverpool by 1901 and the family settled there.

All of his siblings stayed in Southampton apart from one sister who moved to Pontycllyn and married a Jones (?!!). He is not with any of his siblings during the missing years... I have followed their BMD and census details. One of his brothers went down with his ship in a famous disaster in 1905 off the French coast... only 5 survivors.

In 1901 his only daughter was working in a match factory... . when she died in the 1950's she owned at least three properties and left all of her money to her nieces and nephews. Where did a working class girl get this sort of money from?. Niether my Dad or Granddad knew or perhaps my Granddad didn't like to say.... lots of things not talked about.

xx

Talking of things not talked about - who the h*ll was my dad's father?Definitely not the one who's name I bore (dad was adopted at 14 when gran married).
Possibly the man dad thought it was - then gran muddied the water by telling dad 'Juarez' - was that a surname or Spain?
Dad is registered under his adopted name at the bottom of the page (handwritten) with a reference to particular volume & page - understandable - he was adopted.
When I look him up under gran's maiden name (one presumes the original registration ) - this is also handwritten at the bottom of the page - with the same volume & page reference as his adoptive registration!!!!
These aren't the usual references eg 1a 23, nooo - his reference is 5b J42!!
What does this mean?
Was dad born abroad and registerd late when gran returned to this country - hence the handwritten entry at the bottom of the page? What does J42 mean??
Was dad, perhaps adopted not only when gran married - but also adopted by gran?

Maggie,

J42 usually means look in the June quarter of 1942.

Rose

Hi Maggie,
These page numbers J42, are corrections or amendments made on the birth cert.
I have one for myself, with a hand written amendment at the bottom of the page. The original birth cert contained an error & was then corrected.

I'll PM you the ancestry link for reference.

Regards,
Steve
:o)

Rose and Stevie,
He was born in 1926, and was (according to him) adopted when he was 14 - in 1940. Having said that - it could have been 1942.(Gran was a great story teller LOL)
This begs the question - why is his apparently original registration written at the bottom of the page, with the same reference.....unless he wasn't registered at birth!! (quite possible knowing my gran!!)

Stevie, do you know if I would be able to get these certificates with the reference?

Just to confirm Roses' explanation my J No was of the year of amendment.
But this doesn't neccessarily mean year of birth. In my entry, the J No was appended to the bottom of the page of my original entry.

Steve
:o)

Hi Maggie,
Each birth cert has its own reference No. So you should be able to obtain a copy of each one.

Regards,
Steve.
:o)

Maggie,

If you PM me your dad's details I'll see if I can make sense of it.

Rose

Libby,

Is this your family?

1901 England Census
about Henry H Gregory
Name: Henry H Gregory
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Southampton
Civil parish: Litherland
Ecclesiastical parish: Litherland St Phillip
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Litherland
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Household Members: Name Age
Henry H Gregory 45
Annie Gregory 43
Fred Gregory 23
Charles Gregory 21
Amy Gregory 19
William Gregory 17

Rose

Doesn't look as though Henry married Annie:

1891 England Census
about Annie Ritchons
Name: Annie Ritchons
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bishopstone, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Ritchons 32
Albert T Ritchons 15 Salisbury
Charles Ritchons 12 Salisbury
Emilie Ritchons 9 Highworth
Willie Ritchons 7 Salisbury

Rose

1881 Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Elizabeth RICHENS Head W Female 81 Christian Malford, Wiltshire, England No Occupation
Annie RICHENS Grand Daur M Female 22 Bishopstone, Wiltshire, England No Occupation
Albert T. SHERGOLD Boarder Male 4 Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Charles H. RICHENS Great Grandson Male 1 Salisbury, Wiltshire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 4 Cherry Orchard
Census Place Highworth, Wiltshire, England


Rose

Births for the children.

Births Jun 1877
Shergold Albert Tom Alderbury 5a 201

Births Mar 1880
RITCHINS Charles Henry Alderbury 5a 203

Births Sep 1881
Richings Emily Highworth 5a 8

Births Mar 1884
Richens William Alderbury 5a 188

It wonder if Albert became Fred? There's no sign of Albert after 1891


I doubt Henry is the real father of any of them.

Rose

Annie's marriage:

Marriages Jun 1879
Richens John Henry Alderbury 5a 304
Shergold Annie Alderbury 5a 304

Rose

OMG Rose you are an absolute star. I have been looking for these people for years!!!!

Will look into this further. Can not take this in at the moment. So many people have searched for them over the last four years with no luck.

I am waiting for the marriage cert for Henry and Elizabeth Ncholls 1882.... will have to see what info there is on that.

Looks like Albert became Fred (my g grandfather) and Emilie became Amy (sometimes known as Emmie). I have even bought a copy of her Will hoping there was some mention of her parents with no luck.

Many, many thanks.

Libby x

Can't find a death for John Henry Richens yet. It's tough with all the difference spellings. It could be Annie and Henry had to run away to Liverpool because they were both still married.

Annie's in Southampton in 1891. Perhaps that's where she met Henry.

Rose

1861 England Census
about Ann Shergold
Name: Ann Shergold
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Kezia
Gender: Female
Where born: Bishopstone, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Broad Chalke
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wilton
Sub-registration district: Bishopstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
William Shergold 38
Kezia Shergold 37
James Shergold 8
John Shergold 6
Thomas Shergold 4
Ann Shergold 2
Louisa Shergold 9 Mo

Rose

IGI Record


ANNIE SHERGOLD

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM SHERGOLD

Marriages:
Spouse: JOHN HENRY RICHENS

Parents:
Father: HENRY RICHENS

Marriage: 07 MAY 1879 Saint Edmunds, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England


Rose

From IGI. All christened at the same time.

1. Emily Richens - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 JUN 1882 St Martin, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

2. Charles Richens - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 16 JUN 1882 St Martin, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

3. Albert Shergold - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 16 JUN 1882 St Martin, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England



Rose