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Hi Can anyone help with a double birth please I was looking for George McNaught who,s parents were John McNaught and Jean Balmour ..I have found 2 births 1 is 1838 December and the other is 16 March 1845 ... at first I thought maybe the first George died and that was why in 1845 the named there new son after the first one ...but I can not find a death for either of them any help greatly appreciated sorry i should have said born Glasgow Scotland ..

Although both are found on Scotland's people, these are baptisms
A death would only be found on a mortcloth record, if it was placed on one and the mortcloth survived.

Both birth/baptism entries are listed under different index Nos which clarifies that the child born in 1838 was not the same one who was baptised in 1845

I would suggest that you purchase the 1845 one as both his birth and baptism date should be listed.
If he doesn't appear on any census with his parents (especially 1851), it would probably indicate that both children died infancy

MCNAUGHT
GEORGE
JOHN MCNAUGHT/JEAN BALMOUR FR5198 (FR5198)
M
24/12/1838
644/1
350 329
Glasgow

MCNAUGHT
GEORGE
JOHN MCNAUGHT/JEAN BALLMOUR FR5769 (FR5769)
M
16/03/1845
644/1
370 296
Glasgow

Nellie ................

Scottish bmds are found only on Scotland's People, which is not a subscription site. People have to buy credits to see the full record.

You can look up for free and see if there are any records, as GlasgowLass has done above, and then decide if you want to buy the credits yourself.

I suspect they are both born to the same couple, and the name reused after the first one died..

I think this might be the one born 1845 in the 1851 census:

Name: George Mcnaught<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relationship: Lodger<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark<<<<<<
Parish Number: 644/1
Civil Parish: Glasgow St George
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 11 Burnside Stt
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 12
Page: 20
Household schedule number: 75
LINE: 5
Roll: CSSCT1851_153
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella Mcpherson 72
Isabella Mcpherson 25
Hugh Mcpherson 22
Robert Mcpherson 25
John Mcnaught 7<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
George Mcnaught 5<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Note there is also a John McNaught, a couple of years older than George, also a lodger.

This might be his birth to the same parents:

MCNAUGHT JOHN
JOHN MCNAUGHT/JEAN BALMER FR5573 (FR5573)
M
23/01/1843
644/1
360 484
Glasgow

The two McNaught lads are together in London in 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

16, Gloucester Street, St George the Martyr, Holborn, London & Middlesex, England

Philip Thomas Head Married Male 52 1809 Compositor Monmouthshire, Wales
Rachel Thomas Wife Married Female 46 1815 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Francis H Sweetman Lodger Unmarried Male 32 1829 Smith Coventry, Warwickshire, England
James Beesley Lodger Married Male 34 1827 Printers Labourer St Clement Danes, Middlesex, England
>>>>>>>>John Mc Naught Lodger Unmarried Male 18 1843 Printer Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland;
>>>>>>>>>George Mc Naught Lodger - Male 16 1845 Printer & Compositor Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Elizabeth Jenkins Lodger Unmarried Female 49 1812 Servant Monmouthshire, Wales

Marriage of John McNaught and Jean Balmour in 1836.

MCNAUGHT
JOHN
JEAN BALMOUR/FR7239 (FR7239)
23/09/1836
644/1
410 728
Glasgow

and another child of the marriage:

MCNAUGHT DAVID
JOHN MCNAUGHT/JEAN BALMOUR FR4999 (FR4999)
M
31/01/1837
644/1
340 521
Glasgow

and a daughter?

MCNAUGHT MARY
JOHN MCNAUGHT/JEAN BALMOUR FR5417 (FR5417)
F
02/02/1841
644/1
360 173
Glasgow

Is this John and Jean with offspring David and Mary in census 1841, supporting the view that the first George had died?

Name: Mary Mcnaught
Age: 4 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Glasgow St Johns
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Graeme St
Parish Number: 644/1
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mcnaught 25<<<<<<<<<
David Mcnaught 4<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jean Mcnaught 20<<<<<<<<<<
Mary Mcnaught 4 Mo<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Janet Mcnaught 65

This looks like David McNaught in census 1851, like John and George, he is not with his parents:

Name: David Mcnaught<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837<<<<<<<<<<
Relationship: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark<<<<<<<<<<
Parish Number: 644/1
Civil Parish: Glasgow St Andrew
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 76 Gallowgate Stt
Occupation: Errand Boy
ED: 6
Page: 32
Household schedule number: 107
LINE: 19
Roll: CSSCT1851_161
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Robertson 40
Janet Robertson 38
Daniel D Robertson 4
David Mcnaught 14<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jessie Sibbald 34

John McNaught born c1843 seems to have married in Holborn, London, the area he was in for the 1861 census I posted earlier:

Marriages Sep 1869
ABBOTT Eliza Holborn 1b 951
McNAUGHT John Holborn 1b 951 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
TRUELOVE James Holborn 1b 951
WHISTON Mary Ann Holborn 1b 951<<<<<<<<<

Marriage register shows his father to be a John McNaught, a compositor, which ties in with the occupations of John jr and George in 1861, though John has become a compositoe by the time of his marriage:

Name: John McNaught - carrier
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 12 Jul 1869
Marriage Place: St John, Clerkenwell, Islington, England
Father: John McNaught - compositor
Spouse: Mary Ann Whiston
Register Type: Parish Register

Spouse's father John James Whiston, a cabinet maker. Bride and groom both of Little Sutton St. Witnesses John James Whiston and Elizabeth Ann Wright.

1841 Census
5 Records found


Piece: SCT1841/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 11
Civil Parish: Glasgow Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St John
Folio: 77 Page: 14
Address: Graeme Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCNAUGHT John M 25 Compositor Journeyman Lanarkshire
MCNAUGHT David M 4 Lanarkshire
MCNAUGHT Jean F 20 Lanarkshire
MCNAUGHT Mary F 4m Lanarkshire
MCNAUGHT Janet F 65 Lanarkshire

I'd already posted that 1841 census with the two children David and Mary, whose baptisms are already on the thread, Safc, though your version is more readable.

And.... you have the occupation for John senior as compositor, which helps link the John and George in the 1851 and 1861 census back to John McNaught and Jean Balmour. So that's ace! :-)

hi Kucinta

your 1841 does not say john is a compositor
so i posted it

from free cen

That's brillian safc, as it ties in with the occupations of the John and George McNaught in 1861 in Holborn, and with John's father's details on the 1869 Holborn marriage.

?
so it looks like george did die and they named the next son george

That's what I reckon, George I looks to have died before census 1841, as they just have David born 31/01/1837 and Mary born 02/02/1841, which tallies with her being aged 4 months in the 1841 census, as that took place in June.

So what happened to John McNaught senior and wife Jean???? Also daughter Mary?

John in 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Model Lodging House:
16, Newcastle Court, St Clement Danes, Strand, London & Middlesex, England

John McNaught Lodger Widower Male 40 1821 Compositor Scotland

Below seemed to relate...

https://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1333805

Chris :)

(from above)

Hi im trying to find a marriage between George McNaught and Eliza Allan .I have them on their son Samuel McNaught,s marriage certificate but cant find when or
where the married any advice welcome thankyou Helen

Samuel McNaught married
Sarah Frizzle Glasgow Scotland on 19 August 1886


George Mcnaught, "Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898"
Name: George Mcnaught

Spouse's Name: Elisa Allen

Event Date: 10 Dec 1857
Event Place: Raymoghey, Don, Ireland
Father's Name: John Mcnaught

Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Allen

Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M70216-6
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
GS Film number: 101387
Reference ID: 592


Edits

1901 (Find My Past) (reference)
Samuel McNaught Head Married Male 36 1865 Ireland Labourer (Paint Work)
Sarah McNaught Wife Married Female 34 1867 Ireland -
Alexander McNaught Son - Male 14 1887 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Grocers Assistant
Annie McNaught Daughter - Female 9 1892 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Scholar
William Prizzle Boarder Widower Male 32 1869 Ireland Labourer
William Hy Prizzle Boarder - Male 11 1890 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Scholar
Patrick McLuskey Boarder Married Male 47 1854 Ireland Railway Porter
38, Carrick Street, Glasgow, Blythswood, Lanarkshire

That's interesting Chris.

I'm inclined to believe that the George McNaught who married Elisa Allen in Ireland in 1857 is NOT the son of John McNaught and Jean Balmer/Balmour, but I could be wrong.

Census 1881

If this is the Samuel from that thread, and I note the wife of father George is Jane not Elisa, though it may be a later marriage, then that George was born in IRELAND c1826 :

Name: Samuel McNaught<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relationship: Son
Father's name: George McNaught<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's name: Jane McNaught
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 21 Catherine St
Occupation: Foundry Labourer<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED: 25
Household schedule number: 52
LINE: 20
Roll: cssct1881_239
Household Members:
Name Age
George McNaught 55
Jane McNaught 40
Mary McNaught 19
Samuel McNaught 18<<<<<<<<<<<<
Margaret McNaught 8

Name: George McNaught<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane McNaught
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 21 Catherine St
Occupation: General Labourer
ED: 25
Household schedule number: 52
LINE: 17
Roll: cssct1881_239

(seems from Jan on other 'Thread' that an Ancestry Tree, has George/Eliza 1857 Marriage, if that is where Nellie got it from)...

Chris :)

(where are George and Eliza 1861?, Ireland?, does Nellie know any more?)

Possibly Jean's birth - although the 1841 (not necessarily accurate) makes her 5 years younger:

BALMUIR
JEAN
GEORGE BALMUIR/MARY WRIGHT FR2293 (FR2293)
F
01/09/1815
644/1
210 250
Glasgow


Note parents' names George and Mary, which recur in Jean's children's names (though admittedly common names).
Also note the surname Wright - also a common name, but that 's the surname of one of the witnesses to the marriage of Jean & John's son John .

Jane may well have been a second wife for George:

Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958

Name: Jane Baxter
Date of Registration: 1871<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Stranolar, Ireland
Volume: 17
Page Number: 403
FHL Film Number: 101251
Records on Page:
Name
George M'Naught<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jane Baxter<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jane Baxter